Mutual respect, prejudice, safety, and personal responsibility

Jimboot · February 20, 2015, 03:59:53 AM

Quote from: sarkeizen on February 19, 2015, 06:29:01 PM
A better word would be inference or connotation. Such as using a diminutive for someones name or title connotes disrespect. Which isn't really what this was about. Clearly anything you feel disrespected by does not validate any and all disrespect...or maybe to you it does but that would kind of make you the "bad" person. So I'm not sure where you're going with this. :)So according to you anything you type should be what you want to be known by. So....the common trope that people who consult on social media are often perceived as unskilled know-nothings...should mean what here?

Ok I suspect you're being a contrarian or just like a good argument which is cool.

firstly have you done much writing? Prose can have a tone. A humorous one, a serious one a abusive one etc. it's the general feel that a piece can carry. For instance

Let's eat, grandma

Can take on foreboding or sinister tone if you omit the comma.

I've written a lot over the last 30 years. Plays, skits blog posts, ad copy etc. I've also performed professionally as an actor as well as appeared as an expert on numerous media outlets. It will probably surprise you to learn that in all these circles it's common practice to refer to prose or performance as having a "tone" .

I would agree that just because you feel disrespected doesn't mean that was the intent, which validates to some extent sea monkeys argument.

Your last argument is a little confusing. I'm not an social media expert. Im a digital marketing specialist. I would agree that anything you publish is how others perceive you. Like it or not. I can't control what others say about me. All I can control is how I react.

Do you need some online crisis management? I can recommend some fantastic practitioners.

It's easier if you're anon I guess. You can abuse ppl all you like and then pick up another handle when you've destroyed your reputation on the first. One of my good mates who consults to sporting teams tells them just to be yourself on social media.... Unless you're a dickhead

CANGAS · February 20, 2015, 04:05:35 AM

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Just a secret between you and me...your "voice" is strongly reminiscent of a rather poorly written Artificial Intelligence program.

Quote from: SARKEI get that you're just trying to be insulting and that's really your affair but as someone who understand more of that field than you ever will I'd just point out that if I was an AI you could win any Turing-Test style competition bar-none.

You lose. Your guess about my intent is completely, perfectly, wrong.

I had no intention of making you feel insulted. I was simply stating my strong conclusion. I genuinely have concluded that there is a fairly high probability that you are a computer program, not a real human.

Your comment enables me to see your strongly defined paranoia and your well exhibited delusional trait. Which is simply the detritus left in your code by happenstance. Your author probably doesn't realize that his/her personality is flawed and has therefore left his/her strange personality quirks intact during your compiling.

I have another secret to tell you. I know how to be insulting, I have unfortunately indulged myself in far too much vulgar practice in that field. If I had intended to unjustifiably insult you, you would not have had to imagine an insult and construct one in your imagination, out of the innocent words I actually uttered. I am neither inept nor timid at insulting people. Or, BOTS.

Quote...... but as someone who understand more of that field than you ever will......

Huh? How can you claim to know how much I know about that, or, any field? You are here doing the same thing you condemn, and your beleaguered friend condemns!! You are making a completely unjustified assumption about me and my knowledge, and, using your assumption to be the base of your insult of me!! Assuming that you are actually human, you are bending over backwards to try to prove yourself to be a very hypocritical, confused, contradictory, person.

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MileHigh · February 20, 2015, 09:57:44 AM

Cangas:

You are trolling. You just made a mostly irrational posting about artificial intelligence that everybody knows is not true, including you. Also, you are trying to claim that I am "beleaguered?" Nope.

MileHigh

sarkeizen · February 20, 2015, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Jimboot on February 20, 2015, 03:59:53 AM
it's the general feel that a piece can carry.

Who is feeling what? You run into a problem when you say things like: "It's the tone of your sentence". See if "tone" is how you feel. Then "your" is the wrong word. My sentence doesn't have a feeling about you. It's YOU who have a feeling about my sentence. Now you may be confused as people in real life say something like:"Your response had an accusing tone". They usually mean an audible quality - we may disagree as to what that quality implies but it's still referencing a different thing than what you are talking about. Another pitfall for people who aren't wary is the fact that the term"tone" is used in literature but not like you think or how you've used it. Literary tone is about how words are deliberately used to evoke a feeling the characters in the work have about something. This is why my statements did not have a tone. Also if you're not talking about characters the more correct term is "mood". Your example of removing a comma is none of these things it's better described as a syntax issue.

Getting back to what you were originally talking about - that "playing dumb" is namecalling - is again more a question of interpretation. Like when someone uses the word "gyp" to mean "to cheat or swindle" and someone hearing that is offended because to them it is or has it's origins as a racial epithet. So again, a better term to describe this kind of thing is "connote". e.g. Gyp has racial connotations and is best avoided.

Don't worry people can write for decades and have the same misapprehensions that you do with regard to the technical aspects. If you want I can recommend a few good books.

QuoteYour last argument is a little confusing. I'm not an social media expert.

I didn't say you were. I just said you published a consultation on social media and that tends to carry with it the idea of unskilled know-nothings.

...and since you said that deliberately I was wondering what you were trying to imply.

sarkeizen · February 20, 2015, 11:56:06 AM

Quote from: CANGAS on February 20, 2015, 04:05:35 AMYou lose. Your guess about my intent is completely, perfectly, wrong.

Probably not.

QuoteI had no intention of making you feel insulted. I was simply stating my strong conclusion. I genuinely have concluded that there is a fairly high probability that you are a computer program, not a real human.

Oh, please share your algorithm for determining that a corpus of text is from a computer. That way we can run it on the corpus of my words and see that you're right. Whoops...you don't know anything about this do you? So I'm sure that no algorithm is forthcoming.

QuoteHuh? How can you claim to know how much I know about that, or, any field?

Simple probability. I know something about how much I know about that field and with that comes a certain knowledge of the state of the art and if you think a computer can carry on a conversation like this then you what you've been studying is closer to Star Trek than "Foundations and Trends in Machine Learning"