Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.

[MarkE]

Quote : A conservative force is a force with the property that the work done in moving a particle between two points is independent of the taken path.[1] Equivalently, if a particle travels in a closed loop, the net work done (the sum of the force acting along the path multiplied by the distance travelled) by a conservative force is zero.

Like i said-crap. As the gravitational field is NOT constant,then net work can be done-->there for meaning that the gravitational field is not conservative. This is one great example of the crap that is peddled through the teaching of physics. So i say once again-->if the gravitational force is not constant,and work can be done from this non consistant force,then how can it be a conservative force?.

It is not i that is doing one's self no favors Mark,as my post is not nonsense. I CAN !without doubt! show you energy being produced using !your! conservative force(both gravitational and bouyant).You say that the gravitational force cant do work-->rubbish. You say that a bouyancy device cant do work-->more rubbish. Neither of these forces(when combined) is conservative,as they are not constant forces.

You are: confused, wrong, and rude.  I am really tired of it.

[tinman]

You are: confused, wrong, and rude.  I am really tired of it.

I am not wrong,confused or rude. The rude part is your insistance that you are always correct,and as i have shown you before,you are not. You come into threads with the attitude that you are better than anyone else,and yet time and time again you have been proven to be incorrect-as in this example. You say gravity can do no useful work-a gravity device will not work-nor will a bouyant device,and yet it dose day in day out,and i have given a simple example of this that you cannot refute. The only two forces at play are gravity and bouyancy,and the two can indeed generate power-do useful work. So,there you have it,a working gravity/bouyancy device. So now,please tell us all once again that a gravity/bouyancy device can never work due to the fact that garvity and bouyancy forces are conservative.

Quote reply 27: Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 51; Buoyancy is not an energy source.  Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 58: Sigh:  Gravity is a conservative field.  Take something through an arbitrary path from one point and back to that point and there is no gain or loss in gravitational potential energy:  Zero, nada.

All completly wrong when the two forces work together.
Gravity is the force which raises the tide's 14 meters.
Bouyancy is the force that raises the ship that has a displacement of 50 000 tons.
6860000000 joules of energy has just been placed on that ship.
Did gravity have to do extra work to raise that ship?-no,it did not,as the 50 000 ton's the ship added was the very same as the 50 000 tons of water that was displaced that gravity no longer has to raise.

I too grow tired of your negativity Mark,and your partner in crime-LE.
Im not sure where you two live,but for us here on earth,we see the two forces doing work twice a day in most cases. You have tunnel vision,and that tunnel lead's to a dead end. There are devices that clearly dont work,but you put a blanket NO on all such devices that use the same principle. You say that neither bouyant or gravity powered devices will work,and yet we see it daily here on earth. Maybe in 4 to 5 billion years when the moon is to far away from the earth to raise tide's,then you may come back and make your claim. But for now,we have the worlds largest bouyant/gravity driven generator working 24/7.

[MarkE]

I am not wrong,confused or rude. The rude part is your insistance that you are always correct,and as i have shown you before,you are not. You come into threads with the attitude that you are better than anyone else,and yet time and time again you have been proven to be incorrect-as in this example. You say gravity can do no useful work-a gravity device will not work-nor will a bouyant device,and yet it dose day in day out,and i have given a simple example of this that you cannot refute. The only two forces at play are gravity and bouyancy,and the two can indeed generate power-do useful work. So,there you have it,a working gravity/bouyancy device. So now,please tell us all once again that a gravity/bouyancy device can never work due to the fact that garvity and bouyancy forces are conservative.

Quote reply 27: Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 51; Buoyancy is not an energy source.  Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 58: Sigh:  Gravity is a conservative field.  Take something through an arbitrary path from one point and back to that point and there is no gain or loss in gravitational potential energy:  Zero, nada.

All completly wrong when the two forces work together.
Gravity is the force which raises the tide's 14 meters.
Bouyancy is the force that raises the ship that has a displacement of 50 000 tons.
6860000000 joules of energy has just been placed on that ship.
Did gravity have to do extra work to raise that ship?-no,it did not,as the 50 000 ton's the ship added was the very same as the 50 000 tons of water that was displaced that gravity no longer has to raise.

I too grow tired of your negativity Mark,and your partner in crime-LE.
Im not sure where you two live,but for us here on earth,we see the two forces doing work twice a day in most cases. You have tunnel vision,and that tunnel lead's to a dead end. There are devices that clearly dont work,but you put a blanket NO on all such devices that use the same principle. You say that neither bouyant or gravity powered devices will work,and yet we see it daily here on earth. Maybe in 4 to 5 billion years when the moon is to far away from the earth to raise tide's,then you may come back and make your claim. But for now,we have the worlds largest bouyant/gravity driven generator working 24/7.

But you are as anyone with a basic working knowledge of physics and reading comprehension can see.

[tinman]

The term 'conservative field' has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fact that the tide caused the ship to gain gravitational potential energy.

Conservative means the amount of energy dissipated by the tide to raise the ship is 6860 MJ and the amount recoverable by moving the ship back to the original position will be exactly the same, independent of how fast or over what path the ship takes during those movements.

Exactly
Gravitational and bouyant forces have now given rise to a potential energy source-->a gravity/bouyant generator. Why you and your partner in crime continue to say things just wont work,when they work day in day out is nothing more than a joke.

I'd suggest you just give up trying to understand physics...

this is the biggest joke of all-->give up trying to understand physics.
Even the best that think they understand physics really dont know all they think they know. The same answer is always given--how could hundreds of years of understanding be wrong. These are the same people that cannot to this day even explain what the magnetic force actually is,or what the hell gravity even is-->how dose it work,what is the gravitational force?. they have no answer to these question's,and yet here you are claiming that a PM,gravity or bouyancy device can never do useful work-->and yet neither of you(or anyone else) even knows what these forces actually are lol. What creates gravity-->answer-mass lol. No,mass is the quantity of that force,it is not the creator.
What is the magnetic force-->answer-we dont know,but the current modle work's,so we'll stick with that,A PM motor will never work.

What you are saying is-this fuel will not run your motor,even though we dont know what the fuel is.

Quote sm0ky2 :The only restrictions that exists are in our ability to create and remove the conditions of buoyancy, which boils down to human ingenuity.

This statement is spot on,and very correct. Only our non understanding of these forces and what they actually are is stopping us from achieving our goal-and nothing more.
So when you guys actually know what the magnetic or gravitational force is,then you may have a case to argue. Until then,you have nothing but theory,and a ! so far so good! attitude.

Here is a good example of energies that await us when we gain this understanding.
Matter and antimatter. Quite same when they are not together,but when the two opposites are bought together,well,all hell breaks loose,and the energy created from this union is extreem. It took some time for scientist to learn of this!antimatter!,and it will be some time before they come up with some form of antimagnetic field,or antigravity field. But when the time come's,im afraid you two will be out of a job-and it's only a matter of time.

[LibreEnergia]

I am not wrong,confused or rude. The rude part is your insistance that you are always correct,and as i have shown you before,you are not. You come into threads with the attitude that you are better than anyone else,and yet time and time again you have been proven to be incorrect-as in this example. You say gravity can do no useful work-a gravity device will not work-nor will a bouyant device,and yet it dose day in day out,and i have given a simple example of this that you cannot refute. The only two forces at play are gravity and bouyancy,and the two can indeed generate power-do useful work. So,there you have it,a working gravity/bouyancy device. So now,please tell us all once again that a gravity/bouyancy device can never work due to the fact that garvity and bouyancy forces are conservative.

Quote reply 27: Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 51; Buoyancy is not an energy source.  Buoyancy drives don't work.
Quote reply 58: Sigh:  Gravity is a conservative field.  Take something through an arbitrary path from one point and back to that point and there is no gain or loss in gravitational potential energy:  Zero, nada.

All completly wrong when the two forces work together.
Gravity is the force which raises the tide's 14 meters.
Bouyancy is the force that raises the ship that has a displacement of 50 000 tons.
6860000000 joules of energy has just been placed on that ship.
Did gravity have to do extra work to raise that ship?-no,it did not,as the 50 000 ton's the ship added was the very same as the 50 000 tons of water that was displaced that gravity no longer has to raise.

I too grow tired of your negativity Mark,and your partner in crime-LE.
Im not sure where you two live,but for us here on earth,we see the two forces doing work twice a day in most cases. You have tunnel vision,and that tunnel lead's to a dead end. There are devices that clearly dont work,but you put a blanket NO on all such devices that use the same principle. You say that neither bouyant or gravity powered devices will work,and yet we see it daily here on earth. Maybe in 4 to 5 billion years when the moon is to far away from the earth to raise tide's,then you may come back and make your claim. But for now,we have the worlds largest bouyant/gravity driven generator working 24/7.

I'm convinced you are completely clueless about basic physics concepts.  The earth - moon system can of course provide energy in the form of tides to move ships or whatever up and down. This does NOT mean gravity is "non- conservative".  The tides is powered by the earth - moon rotation slowing and the two bodies slowly moving apart.

Gravity would be "non conservative" ONLY if we could magically restore the earth and moon to their original positions without expending the same amount of energy as is dissipated as they move apart.  Given the tides dissipate gravitational potential at the rate of about 5 terawatts, that's a whole lot of energy going the be required to move them back into their original positions. 

Maybe Wayne Travis can help us with that...