A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?

[lasersaber]

@MileHigh

Me:  <<< +Robert Murray-Smith What Lasersaber, Tinman, and you need to do is make credible measurements of the capacitance of your home-made supercapacitors.

Do you see any problems with the method I used in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqw8nwqyg4g[/size]


I cannot speak about Robert's or Tinman's capacitors because I have never tested them.  I have not yet come close to anything like 2000F in a credit card size.  Like I told Stefan in the comments on the watt hour test video about my homemade caps "I did the test but it was less than 1 watt hour if I remember correctly.".  I am also concerned that any measurements we give before going through a few hundred cycles could have a larger margin of error.


-LS

[Nink]

@MileHigh

Do you see any problems with the method I used in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqw8nwqyg4g[/size]


I cannot speak about Robert's or Tinman's capacitors because I have never tested them.  I have not yet come close to anything like 2000F in a credit card size.  Like I told Stefan in the comments on the watt hour test video about my homemade caps "I did the test but it was less than 1 watt hour if I remember correctly.".  I am also concerned that any measurements we give before going through a few hundred cycles could have a larger margin of error.


-LS

I think agreeing on a standard measurement test would be good and Watt/Hour is pretty reasonable.  I like your little Watt Hour meter. There are a bunch of Arduino projects out there for these.  Problem is any test someone does is up to the honesty of the person performing the test. Maybe a super cap challenge with a prize (some bitcoin or something for the folks who like to stay anonymous).  Say 1000 cycles 2000F measurements 5mm * 85mm * 55mm and everyone sends them off to an independent person to test.

[MileHigh]

Yes, I think that is a pretty good real-world test.  Just be careful with one thing, when you say "amp-hours" I am not sure where in the setup you are making that reference.  It would be prudent to state the associated voltage.  Of course your meter measured watt-hours also, so you are covered.   Note if the caps are 2600 farads then it's 433F@15V.

If I may ask a small favour of you, it would be to take your data and work it back to determine the value of an individual capacitor.  You have the start and end voltage, and the number of joules of energy expended, so using E = 1/2 CV-squared you can determine the capacitance.  The big question is this:  Will your measured capacitance be in line with the stated capacitance of the Maxwell supercapacitors?

You notice the remarkable difference in volume of your commercial supercapacitor at 2600 farads as compared to the RMS claim of 2000 farads in a credit-card-sized capacitor.  I am making the assumption that the RMS device is also comparable in voltage to the Maxwell supercapacitors, somewhere just shy of 3 volts.  Hence the volume comparison is valid.

Beyond that, what experimenters need is a viable way to measure the value of a single device not using an invertor and light bulb load and watt-hour meter, etc.  Not to detract from your perfectly valid test, but there needs to be a simpler test using standard stuff that most experimenters have on their bench.  The most obvious one is to connect a load resistor.  However, considering the relatively low voltage and very large capacitance, I am not sure if that is necessarily the best way.

I mentioned that some kind of test for the ESR would be a good thing to do, but I also forgot to mention another very basic parameter that needs to be discussed.  The percentage of voltage loss after 24 hours is another critical parameter.  Knowing the self-discharge rate is important depending on the application.

Finally, people have also mentioned the long term durability over multiple charge-discharge cycles which is a longer-term test that obviously is very interesting.

Anyway, I think it's great that people can make their own home-brew supercapacitors.  This stuff was unimaginable in the 1980s.  I leave it up to the builders to invent their own methods for testing their supercapacitors.  I have some ideas but I don't want to spoon feed people stuff.  Nor can I verify the viability of my ideas.  However, a supercapacitor is just a capacitor and it should be very feasible to come up with your own measurement protocol.  It would be great if you measured the capacitance in two different ways to see if they correlate.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

How about a musical interlude and at the same time we can give 93 a troll-a-gasm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5engyVXe0

[tinman]

Tin man Don't get wet about me son you know what that does to metal hahahahha

 



Stick to these rules and we have a deal ............ I will licence you and anyone else who agrees to these protocols or I will just keep coming here to laugh my socks off at you guys running around in circles ....

Do you like my 01.10 = 11 WELL SON IT DOES AS 1 +10 = 11 = 1+1 =2 .... Now to you that is bonkers hahahahah but in numerological mathematics its very important ,,,,,,,,,,, 

But lets reveal what that means !!!! An electron is 2.2 trillionths the size of its nuclei and .2 is 11 times smaller to the number of its 2 ................. Lets say the primary of the number is 0.1+0.1 = 0.2 and we x it by the formula of the 11, we get 0.2x11=2.2 .. So we now see the 11 is important and it had to come from some where or do you think its all by chance the 2.2 trillionths to the size of the nuclei is by chance ? Now lets rise the electron 1 meter off the ground and its new earth horizon is 22 miles and now we see that the 10 has become important and the ten is metric nut the electron is imperial ...........

This means that the electron what is a construct of 2.2 trillion X Y particles is divided into 1.1 + 1.1 hahahhaha and this is 1+1+1+1=4 and represents the 4th dimension and is another numerological constant of the electron .... Now we have constructed the electron and it is now 1 metre above the ground with its earth horizon at 22 miles . What does that mean ? well it very important if we want to finally work out where the electrons position is at any given moment in time and space as I don't do uncertainty principles... So lets look again at we have found !

We have fond these numbers 1  10  11  2.2  4 =  1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 12 ....... hhahahaha now we have found the first 12 note chromatic octave of the electron and its numerological constant its imperial and metric relationship .  And from this I determine that the electron can occupy 2.2 trillion positions over 2.2 trillionths of one imperial second divided by infinity .  So what is infinity ? Lets now move away from the universe at 2.2 trillion miles and look back at the universe but we will need a very powerful eye to see the universe as it will appear to be no bigger than an electron hahahahahhaha

And if we were accelerating at the same speed as the so called inflation of the universe the universe would not look any different no matter how long we keep looking at it ........ So if we step out side of the universe where would we be ? We would in fact arrive in the 5th dimension as there is no time or space there and all what we see as big here its all very small in the 5th dimension ...

Now we can begin to fully study the electron as we now have finally isolated it hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaah Now take up the wager sir stop the insults and lets rock this planet before we all fall off hahahhahahahaha or your all mouth and no TIN HAHHAHAHA LOL

Now you don't understand it so you attack it ! But a simple proof confirms it and to that we and I do mean we the ones who know stand by it ............... Now the proof ....... First I challenge you with a wager £1 Gentleman's bet . But No matter what I say It will be you that has to run the test and pay up the money hahahhahah ....

And here you sit,typing away-->in stead of making billions on your wonder machine's.

Now you don't understand it so you attack it ! But a simple proof confirms it and to that we and I do mean we the ones who know stand by it ............... Now the proof ....... First I challenge you with a wager £1 Gentleman's bet . But No matter what I say It will be you that has to run the test and pay up the money hahahhahah ....

Not likely.
I have spent enough money disproving poppycock devices.
Your the one with the bright idea's,and wild claim's-so you spend the money,and make one of your unicorn devices,and then come show us all how it works.

Now which of the 9 do you contest ? Negative charged coil ? Magnetic vacuum ? Harmonic response of the 5th ? Unified field oscillator ? Electron propagator ? Green light resonator ? Radiant ambient generator Is it an education you require ? hahhahahaha thats cheep for only a £1 hahhahahah

Negative charged coil= bollocks
Magnetic vacuum= Magnet in space
Harmonic response of the 5th--sounds beethoven
Unified field oscillator-oh please
Electron propagator=microwave oven?.
Green light resonator= drag race at the traffic lights
Radiant ambient generator--> bedini pulse motor running at room temperature lol.

Educate us all-->build and show.

What about my free energy megawatt generator hahahhahahahaha government funded technology hahahahhahahahahahah I rock the ATOM and master the art of free energy ! With me son the delivery is finite secure reality .... Tel you dumb stupid government what you have told me hahhahahahahah

Sure Ted

So you are in the land of the yellow brick road and the emerald city with the greater wizard ! And no doubt the wizard of OZ is your master hahhahahahahhahahahahhahahaha Is it not a better I dear to shut up and learn and develop a technology that can save thos planet from the dreaded heat death it is now facing or is it a better option to talk shit and throw stones at the answer only to run round in circles with a straw man and a gutless lion hahahhahahahahaha

Sure-it would be much better for all of us if you got of the computer, and went out and save the world

But who is the wicked witch that stole a 5th of all your money ?? Come on son !!!! Do the right thing get back into your lab and finally masseur what it is that you have been looking for all these years ... .. hahahhaha Or is the tin man so wet he has rusted the only chance he has left to finally meet the wizard that is me hahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha

Oh dear haha,you have been eating the grass in stead of smoking it.

First the anti ageing and cellular regeneration YOU WILL NEED IT than the lab tests ......... But there must be a firm agreement and no matter how much shit talk you throw at me the protocol must never be defeated or a evil Muslim ISS terrorists may have it .....

I clearly state what ever the secrets are should be keep secret and we just sale the energy in advanced on the global futures markets as a global energy bond  deal sold 10 years in advance ............ OK SON !!!

First-i am no son of your's. If i was,i'd go into hiding.
You go get that stock market haha--knock em dead.

The rest i cannot even be bothered with-enough time wasted.