Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.

[MileHigh]

It will show that the !law! of induction is incomplete-although you,i and Erfinder have already shown this. I believe Erfinder had produced this wave form some years back.

We see an increase and decrease in magnetic flux in the core,but the voltage dose not go through the zero volt line as it should. At the point where the magnetic flux go's from increasing to decreasing,you should have 0 volts across the coil.

Brad

Well, it would appear that you, Luc, and possibly Erfinder are back in whackadoo leading-myself-down-a-garden-path territory.   You are circling part of a waveform that supposedly shows "the laws of induction are incomplete?"  Like you have "discovered" something that "science doesn't understand" and so the law of induction must be incomplete?  Just because of a double camel hump in a waveform???   You also talk about an induction waveform on a presumably unmodified coil setup always being above zero volts?

Enjoy your stay in La-La Land while the going is good.  However, I will leave it up to you guys to figure your own way out of the garden because too many Coca leaves are not good for you!

[tinman]

Yes, it was around 10 years back or more (lost track) when I first started experimenting and learning but didn't understand what Erfinder was doing or had found.

I'll look into it a little more but still not sure what the reason or value of keeping the wave over the zero line.




Thanks

Luc

I don't rectify DC motors when I use them as generators, so again not to sure what the value is here?

A DC motor has brushes.
Try getting the voltage to remain above the 0 volt line with a brushless DC motor/alternator.


Brad

[tinman]

BTW, are you getting this wave from the rotor you've been using in the tests of this topic?

Luc

No,that is from an experimental rotor from some years back now,running past a single coil.
Very poor pulse motor rotor,but an interesting generating rotor-no counter force on the prime mover when power is drawn from the generating coil-->down side-not very much power available from the generating coil.


Brad

[tinman]

Well, it would appear that you, Luc, and possibly Erfinder are back in whackadoo leading-myself-down-a-garden-path territory.   You are circling part of a waveform that supposedly shows "the laws of induction are incomplete?"  Like you have "discovered" something that "science doesn't understand" and so the law of induction must be incomplete?  Just because of a double camel hump in a waveform???   You also talk about an induction waveform on a presumably unmodified coil setup always being above zero volts?

Enjoy your stay in La-La Land while the going is good.  However, I will leave it up to you guys to figure your own way out of the garden because too many Coca leaves are not good for you!

Well that was predictable--right on que

Added
Ok MH-and your laws you love so much-->explain as to how your law of induction allows for this to be done-->see scope shot below.
In order for a voltage to be produced across a coil,the flux passing through/cutting the coil has to be either increasing or decreasing. As it increases,a voltage of one polarity is produced across the coil,and as it decreases,a voltage of the opposite polarity is produced across the coil.
To obtain a voltage that is always of only one polarity across that coil,the flux would either 1-have to be forever increasing,or 2- forever decreasing. As we know this is not possible,how is it done?
How are your laws of induction looking now?.


Brad

[MileHigh]

Well that was predictable--right on que

What's probably more predictable is you seeing a double camel hump in an EMF waveform from a coil and all of a sudden deciding that there are problems with the law of induction.  That is ridiculous and you seemingly want to arrive at a wrong conclusion without even trying to think things through.  I will echo Poynt's comments about spoon feeding answers being a problem.

Your rational mind has to tell you that there must be an explanation for seeing a double-hump in a waveform when it's nothing more than some guy on a bench passing magnets past a coil.  Nothing could be more mundane than that and yet you want to believe that when you see something unusual you are in uncharted territory that our current understanding can't explain.

Take a step back and work with your peers to figure out what is taking place.

Peak voltage is reached when total flux linkage has been achieved from magnet to core

It's shocking to read stuff like that after all this time.  When you say, "total flux linkage" I interpret that to mean the instant in time where a moving rotor magnet is directly lined up with the center axis of a coil.  As TK stated, that's when the voltage is zero, it's not when you see a peak voltage output by the coil.

I think if you guys brainstorm you can figure things out.  The catch is that you have to be able to disagree with each other and have differing opinions and have a real technical discussion.

Luc, why did you instantly agree with Brad when he said that the double camel hump waveform showed that there were allegedly problems with the law of induction?  Why?

Did you agree with him for technical reasons or did you just feel compelled to agree for the sake of agreeing?

You guys are off on your own as far as at least I am concerned.  You need to explain the double camel hump instead of the cop-out where you believe the double camel hump shows that there are "problems" with the law of induction.  Spoon feeding you the answers is clearly not the right way to go.