Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.

[tinman]

I gave you one method to achieve the same effect without using magnets. If you are interested in seeing it done without them, why don't you build it?

Because as i said,your test/experiment did not show the same effect. Your experiment showed how to reduce both the P/in and P/out at the same time,and so the results you obtained were not the same as mine,and did not show an increase in efficiency. So it is clear that cause and effect are not the same between the two DUTs.

Brad

[gotoluc]

Thanks for the long but interesting post wattsup

Very well written I must say and very interesting information. Makes one think.
However, as interesting as it is you're not going to get people attention until you build a device that will prove your suggestions.
Have you done this yet?

I build things to demonstrate what I'm suggesting and still don't get much feedback from people.
That's just the way things are.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[tinman]

Brad:

I am assuming the "W" wave and the allegation of a coil waveform were the voltage is always above zero volts are two separate things under discussion.   For me the "W" wave means nothing.  The "always above zero volts" waveform is impossible.  If you want to draw a diagram of the setup and/or demo something then I would be able to comment more.

The reason there is nothing remarkable about the setup with the lossy coil is because the pulsing coil combined with the rotor in effect looks like an electrical circuit.  In other words, you have a pulse motor which is a combination of an electrical circuit and a mechanical circuit and electrical circuits are analogs for mechanical circuits and mechanical circuits are analogs for electrical circuits.  So, a pulse motor is an electro-mechanical circuit which just looks like an electrical circuit.  If you were on the bench playing with a purely electrical circuit and changed a component value and saw the power-in change and the power-out change you would not think anything of it.  So why think something unusual or remarkable is happening or that the magnets are doing something special when you add the rotor?

If you do undertake to test a more efficient coil that would be great.  Like I already stated I think your rotor also leaves a lot to be desired.  If I can offer a suggestion it would be to use a two-pole or four-pole rotor with the same pole facing outwards for all magnets.  That will give you a cleaner and more controlled test environment for your coil.

With the typical kinds of bench experiments that you and your peers do with pulse motors and coils and transformers, it's basically impossible for you to do anything that "conventional science can't explain" or to "observe an exception to a so-called law."  There is always an explanation, but sometimes that explanation is not that obvious and it takes some brainstorming to figure it out.

MileHigh

Here is the problem MH. If i go to a two pole rotor with the same field pointing out,then i would have to get the rotor spinning at twice the speed,and then try and get it to sync--and it is hard enough as it is now. If i go to a 4 pole rotor with all the same field out,then we !may! loose some of the force placed upon the rotor when the coil fires,as with the alternating fields,we know that the coil will be pushing on one magnet,and pulling on the next. But i will give it a try anyway,and make a 4 pole rotor--maybe a bit smaller in diameter to make it easier to sync.


Brad

[Bob Smith]

Wattsup,
I'd like to echo Luc's note of appreciation for your post. I watched your Half Coil #3 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELto2eCr0PY with great interest.  I assume that Lenz' law is producing the half coil effect you register, and that it is arising in the coil as a response (to the charge) from the dielectric/aether.  I believe this situates me among those who would consider coils to be open systems, and that OU is in fact a result of open system factors whose wide pervasiveness classical EM theory doesn't seem ready to acknowledge.  Polemics aside, I find your video and post helpful for my own experimenting. Looking forward to the next one.
Bob

[MileHigh]

Quite the contrary, my test is very comparable to JLN. We are just using different sizes of magnets, mounted on different surfaces and placing them in different locations.

His large magnet will make his wheel vibrate which makes the sound you think is motor action. Mine is at most 10% of the size of his, so obviously won't be affected as much and it is also being held by a small steel lamination dampened by my fingers. You're also not comparing how much power he is putting in his coil compared to mine.
So all this is giving you a false impression that these test are not the same. Seeing a schematic will also not conclude anything. Both are coils being turned on and off.
How different and complicated is that

You were wrong about a magnet not being able to increase a cored coils inductance and your wrong about these tests not being the same.
What are the chances, since I got the exact core that were recommended for the Orbo build and don't you think JLN did the same?

Here you are arrogantly making a mockery of JLN test based on your ignorance that a magnet cannot increase inductance:
and you come up with your own BS motoring hypothesis.
The one who is off the clouds is you! and you could of saved your face a little but you've openly admitted (above) that you've already seen my video back in 2011 and failed to remember what should of been obvious at the time.

What are you doing here???    are you not at least capable of learning something form someone who is supposed to know less than you?

May this be a lesson to you and all your followers that you don't have all the correct answers based on what you have learned from the past. There are new products like Finemet that you obviously know nothing about.
So it's fine if you don't want to do experiments but don't think you know all the answers as things are changing fast and in time you'll be an old school dinosaur.

So better stop your BS now before you really sink your ship... or should I say shit?

Luc

Well, that is one nasty piece of work.  In fact it's so nasty that I am going to reply here where you can't exercise your thought control.

I agree that what you said on a technical level has merit.  Your tone will be addressed later.  I never said that you were wrong and I acknowledged that you were measuring what appeared to be an increased inductance.  Nor do I claim to be an expert in magnetics.

I spent a half hour doing some research and found a paper which is attached to this posting.

From the paper:

Abstract
The resistive and reactive components of magneto-impedance (MI) for Finemet/Copper/Finemet sandwiched
structures based on
stress-annealed
nanocrystalline Fe
75
Si
15
B
6
Cu
1
Nb
3
ribbons as functions of different fields
(longitudinal and perpendicular) and frequencies have been measured and analyzed. Maximum magneto-
resistance and magneto-inductance ratios of 700% and 450% have been obtained in 30-600 kHz frequency range
respectively. These large magneto-resistance and magneto-i
nductive ratios are a direct consequence of the large
effective relative permeability due to the closed magnetic flux path in the trilayer structure. The influence of
perpendicular bias fields (H
per
) in the Longitudinal Magneto-impedance (LMI) configuration greatly improves
the MI ratios and sensitivities. The maximum MI ratio for th
e resistive part increases to as large as 2500% for
H
per
~ 1 Oe. The sensitivity of the magneto-resistance incr
eases from 48%/Oe to 288%/Oe at 600 kHz frequency
with the application of H per
~ 30 Oe. Such high increase in MI ratios and sensitivities with perpendicular bias
fields are due to the formation the favourable (transverse) domain structures.

The paper is very technical and I managed to gleam that indeed a magnetic field can increase the inductance of a toroidal coil with a Finemet core just like you said.

I note how you acknowledge that this effect does not take place for regular ferrite materials and in that case the influence if a magnetic field reduces the effective inductance, which is something that I also said.

MileHigh