MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[ramset]

Yes Miles taught the kiddies plenty ...
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No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
end quote

we learned right here that Miles Pulls out all the stops when it comes to winning, even if it means he manufactures - facts-
from thin air.

Aside from the Simplest of ICE's the WW2 Buzz bomb [ICE In Complete cavity resonance]

it would also seem that resonance in an ICE is showing that the impossible [laws of thermodynamics ] is indeed possible.
a 50CC  N.A. 2 stroke should not be doing what it shows on the Dyno ,and resonance is soooo much a part of what is happening there.

8 HP per cubic inch displacement.
that's 400 HP per liter ,[ not a 4sec Blown monster on Nitro] ,runs and runs and runs.

breaking the rules.....

with resonance.

and yes MH I know your goal is to quote

"put an end to this resonance nonsense  once and for all"
end quote

fact is things come apart under resonant conditions, NMR.. NAR ...LENR....

The -TUNE- of resonance ..only the beginning MH ...Not the End.

thanks for the lesson !

[tinman]

Yes Miles taught the kiddies plenty ...
Quote
No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
end quote

we learned right here that Miles Pulls out all the stops when it comes to winning, even if it means he manufactures - facts-
from thin air.

Aside from the Simplest of ICE's the WW2 Buzz bomb [ICE In Complete cavity resonance]

it would also seem that resonance in an ICE is showing that the impossible [laws of thermodynamics ] is indeed possible.
a 50CC  N.A. 2 stroke should not be doing what it shows on the Dyno ,and resonance is soooo much a part of what is happening there.

8 HP per cubic inch displacement.
that's 400 HP per liter ,[ not a 4sec Blown monster on Nitro] ,runs and runs and runs.

breaking the rules.....

with resonance.

and yes MH I know your goal is to quote

"put an end to this resonance nonsense  once and for all"
end quote

fact is things come apart under resonant conditions, NMR.. NAR ...LENR....

The -TUNE- of resonance ..only the beginning MH ...Not the End.

thanks for the lesson !

No point in flogging a dead horse Chet,MH has his own definition of resonance.

To quote the scientific meaning of resonance
Quote: Resonance is the forced motion in tune with the natural oscillation frequency of a system, which is called the resonant frequency. Resonance is created when  pushing the system in the right direction that increases its amplitude.

MH cannot understand that the expansion chamber has a resonant frequency,which is the frequency of the gas charge moving back and forth within that expansion chamber.
He also dose not understand,that in order for this resonant frequency to be reached,the engine RPM has to be correct,nor dose he understand that the driving force behind it all,is the the expanding gases within the cylinder from the ignition of the fuel/air mix.

Now he is trying to !!some how!! infer that it is just some sort of delay line--which it is nothing of a sort.
Delay line-->a device producing a specific desired delay in the transmission of a signal.
There is no such delay rubbish in the two stroke expansion chamber. Fresh gas mix is drawn out of the cylinder,into the expansion chamber,and then it is returned back into the expansion chamber. This is an oscillating action,it is not a delay at all. This oscillating action has a specific frequency,and maximum amplitude of pressure inside the cylinder can only take place when the engine RPMs match the resonant frequency of that expansion chamber. If the engines RPM(frequency of oscillation of the piston)do not match the resonant frequency of the expansion chamber,then maximum amplitude of pressure in the combustion chamber will not be reached.
When the pistons oscillation frequency matches the natural resonant frequency of the expansion chamber,then maximum amplitude in pressure is reached in the combustion chamber-->the supercharging effect,and maximum power is developed by the engine.

MH just cannot put two and two together,and see that the piston is an oscillating object,that must oscillate at the same frequency as the natural resonant frequency of the expansion chamber,in order for maximum amplitude to be reached.
The system as a whole ,fits the very definition of a resonant system,where a driving force(the exploding gas mix) is the force that creates both the oscillation of the piston,and the oscillating gas charge within the expansion chamber. A small amount of energy is dissipated out through the expansion chamber,but most remains within the system,and is delivered to a load. The very same is true with an LC tank circuit,where some of the energy is dissipated as heat,but the bulk of the energy remains in the system,and may be delivered to a load.

There are some Chet,that can understand how to use resonance to our advantage,while there are others that will be stuck hitting a tuning fork with a hammer,and watching the world go by as they listen to there tuning fork oscillating at it's natural frequency.


Brad

[MileHigh]

There are some Chet,that can understand how to use resonance to our advantage,while there are others that will be stuck hitting a tuning fork with a hammer,and watching the world go by as they listen to there tuning fork oscillating at it's natural frequency.

Right, you have been presented with overwhelming evidence that a struck tuning fork resonates.  Resonance has been properly defined for you because you were unable to define if for yourself.  We all grew up hearing that a bell or a tuning fork or a wine glass resonates when it is struck and it all makes perfect sense.

But no, you saying "a struck tuning fork resonates" would mean that you would be admitting that you were w.... from your statement from a month or two ago.

So you and at least Chet are forced to live in some kind of "Brad's Bizarro World" to prevent your head from exploding.

Brad in chains.

[MileHigh]

Now he is trying to !!some how!! infer that it is just some sort of delay line--which it is nothing of a sort.
Delay line-->a device producing a specific desired delay in the transmission of a signal.
There is no such delay rubbish in the two stroke expansion chamber. Fresh gas mix is drawn out of the cylinder,into the expansion chamber,and then it is returned back into the expansion chamber. This is an oscillating action,it is not a delay at all. This oscillating action has a specific frequency,and maximum amplitude of pressure inside the cylinder can only take place when the engine RPMs match the resonant frequency of that expansion chamber. If the engines RPM(frequency of oscillation of the piston)do not match the resonant frequency of the expansion chamber,then maximum amplitude of pressure in the combustion chamber will not be reached.
When the pistons oscillation frequency matches the natural resonant frequency of the expansion chamber,then maximum amplitude in pressure is reached in the combustion chamber-->the supercharging effect,and maximum power is developed by the engine.

Yes, it's a delay line, you can completely forget about the expansion chamber resonating in terms of the operation of the two-stroke engine.  It's simply a device that was designed to generate a reverse pressure wave with the right synchronous delay at a given RPM to push the fuel mixture back into the cylinder before firing.  Your own link said that.

But it's more fun and cooler and sexier sounding to say "resonance," not to mention that "resonance" was your initial pitch and we couldn't have you admitting that you were w.... because that would make your head explode.

[MileHigh]

Yes Miles taught the kiddies plenty ...
Quote
No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
end quote

we learned right here that Miles Pulls out all the stops when it comes to winning, even if it means he manufactures - facts-
from thin air.

Aside from the Simplest of ICE's the WW2 Buzz bomb [ICE In Complete cavity resonance]

it would also seem that resonance in an ICE is showing that the impossible [laws of thermodynamics ] is indeed possible.
a 50CC  N.A. 2 stroke should not be doing what it shows on the Dyno ,and resonance is soooo much a part of what is happening there.

8 HP per cubic inch displacement.
that's 400 HP per liter ,[ not a 4sec Blown monster on Nitro] ,runs and runs and runs.

breaking the rules.....

with resonance.

and yes MH I know your goal is to quote

"put an end to this resonance nonsense  once and for all"
end quote

fact is things come apart under resonant conditions, NMR.. NAR ...LENR....

The -TUNE- of resonance ..only the beginning MH ...Not the End.

thanks for the lesson !

What about the bloody pistol shrimp?

When you say "an ICE uses resonance to work better and produce more power" what do you think of first?  I am willing to bet you the average person thinks of a modern four-stroke fuel-injected four or six-cylinder gasoline engine used in any modern European, North American, or Japanese car.

I am not an expert but I would not be surprised if the following were true:

1.  There is no type of Helmholtz resonator to help put air into the cylinders before combustion
2.  There is no need for an "anti-resonance" resonant cavity in the cylinder head
3.  There is no expansion chamber on the exhaust gas outlet because it is a four-stroke engine and it has a stroke for expelling the exhaust gasses.

So, if all that is indeed true, and assuming that the statement applies to the most common type of modern ICE used in a car, then stating that there is "no resonance in an ICE in any way, shape, or form" is not so unreasonable a statement, is it?  Especially when you are talking about the true scientific and engineering definition of resonance and not something that you would read in the classified section of Hot Rodder magazine.

Of course, you can always come back after the initial generic statement about ICE's and resonance and say, "Even through I did not specify anything, I was really talking about competitive two-stroke gas engines used for racing."  That's the ticket!

Yes Miles taught the kiddies plenty ...
Quote
No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
end quote

we learned right here that Miles Pulls out all the stops when it comes to winning, even if it means he manufactures - facts-
from thin air.

Yeah,  I am a real hard-core manufacturer of facts from thin air.  Hmmm.... I seem to remember that I took back my statement about "ICE's not resonating in any way, shape, or form whatsoever" when presented with the facts about competitive two-stroke engines having Helmholtz resonators on the front end and with some obscure reference to the fact that somewhere in the past for some unknown engine they had to hollow out an "anti-resonance" resonant chamber in the cylinder head.

Now, why don't you run along and make a "Top 100" list of all of the incorrect and/or totally ridiculous statements that Brad has made that he has never admitted to as well as making a separate "Top 25 admissions that if they were made would make Brad's head explode" list?  There is more than enough material for you to work with.

No?  Oh I get it, you just want to remind me over and over about a statement that I already admitted was wrong.  It sounds like Brad is rubbing off on you.