TD replications

[ayeaye]

By overunity i mean continuous overunity. Like when a magnet enters a magnetic field of another magnet by speed with no initial force, and then leaves the magnetic field with increased speed. At that all these conditions have to be met. Like when it enters into the magnetic field by speed, accelerates, but then stops by colliding with another magnet, it gains energy, sure, but it doesn't leave the magnetic field with increased speed.

As i understand it by now, is on the drawing below. When moving the right magnet towards the left magnet, the right magnet indeed turns. Moving it closer to the left magnet takes very little energy, because the horizontal forces are balanced. Turning provides of course much more energy than moving requires, because both poles attract to the opposite poles of the left magnet.

So i guess you think that turning providing much more energy than moving requires, is overunity. It is not. Because it can all be explained by the Coulomb model, and there cannot be any overunity in the Coulomb model. Why, because the poles there have completely spherical fields, and in a spherical field, decreasing the force needs exactly the same energy as increasing the force provides.

Thus it is in principle not different from like dropping one magnet on another, when they attract. It takes no energy at all to drop, and the dropped magnet accelerates, getting a lot of energy. Yet it is not overunity, that is not a continuous overunity, as the dropped magnet stays on the magnet that it were dropped to, and moving it away from there takes the same amount of energy, as the dropping gave.

I'm sorry but, it seems to me by now like just some gimmick, maybe made a bit more complicated, so it is more difficult to understand, but coming from not understanding what overunity is.

[lancaIV]

I would recommend to take a physics handbook - section mechanics : force : lever/-arm and to understand the difference in work units between Zugkraft ~ traction(force) and Hubkraft ~ lifting force and the importance of the Reibung/-Zahl ~ friction/- number .
What I see is something like a " magnetic gear".
And I do not see that anybody declared here " overunity power" in a closed cycle system !
This seems more to be like a " magnetic spring effect",catapult

[norman6538]

Overunity to me is more work out than in. But in context remember that permanent magnets can do work by attracting something and lifting it but then you are stuck at the sticky spot and undoing that probably requires equal work so there is no net.

Then when extra power is demonstrated that extra power can be used to make the device run itself if there is enough. By that definition I have presented 3 devices but none would self run because they need at least 300-400% extra to switch the magnetic power on and off and collect it to be used.

Here is a quick and dirty photo of how to measure the coffee cup demonstrator work out.
I bent the paper clip and hot glued a straight pin with a hook so I could hang a coffee cup creamer bucket with BBs to test the max out. You can see that the stick was lifted to horizontal but the BBs position is not clear because the axle was not bent to 90 degrees.

I'll let the input measurements to you in a similar fashion. Along the way if you experiment enough you should discover some serious work out enhancers.

Norman

[ayeaye]

Overunity to me is more work out than in.

No, more energy out than in is not enough for continuous overunity. Like if you drop an object and it falls to the ground, this is more energy out than in. But to lift the object to the same height again takes the same energy as the dropping gave.

[norman6538]

When you have constructed and fine tuned the coffee cup Floor Twist Drive this drawing shows what you will see but probably not the 1:20 ratio.

We all understand the drawing on the left but you have to build to see and understand and believe the drawing on the right. Then you will believe it. Then you will know what it is really like to ride a roller coaster - then you will believe that the power in permanent magnets can be exploited and utilized.
Make the Floor coffee cup TD and you will see and understand and believe. But the keyboarders will never know what it is really like to ride a roller coaster.

Norman