Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[a.king21]

Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.


If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved. 

[AlienGrey]

Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.


If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved.

Well there must be a good few who do in Lithuania and a good few of the Russian speaking countries in fact there is a guy the 'master' who demonstrates it, alas he offers no circuit diagrams but explains any wire with current flowing in it can produce a 'pinch' effect' when driven by a pulse, he also says while your generating your magnetic field it kills the effect Nick Z talks about.
So sounds like you need to experiment, in some of the DS vids he shows a tiny neon spark gap, does that really work ??

[rickfriedrich]

The reason why I give long videos and postings is to avoid misunderstandings. Tensions are high here as they easily get on forums on important subjects. Hopefully we can avoid giving knee-jerk reactions or fostering the same.
I'm not really sure that it would be evident to people, especially when most would not even think the technology is possible, that there was some free energy or overly efficient process in dustifying the towers. The reaction I get from people is that they think a lot of energy must have been used to do that. Even though it doesn't take much energy to do such things it really is a problematic example/analogy as it takes a good deal of work to investigate this in order to come to the conclusions Dr. Wood came to. I think people can fairly easily come to see that some very unusual things happened that day, but it is not as easy to determine exactly what, especially how much energy it would take.
As for my 180Khz bigger coil demo, this was just me making a random coil that was almost equal lengthwise with width which results in good Q. Then I just matched up suitable caps for it and the regular kit coils so they could run at the same frequency. As there are not a whole lot of options in the nanofarads I chose 5nF for the small coil which resulted in a resonant frequency of around 180kHz. And the big coil turned out to have exactly 2mH inductance with 123 turns around a 6" pvc connector (thin walled one). I found 351pf @ 186kHz = 5000+V while input was 18V varying the power from 30 to 260ma. Tuning it to match the smaller coils resonant frequency brought the circulating voltage to around 4500V. I used a high quality variable capacitor for this. This showed that there is sort of a sweet spot of frequency/cap values even though you can have almost endless combinations. But as this gave satisfactory results I decided to use it as a transmitter and demonstrated last year and this year in Canada as well as on video. I did 4 public demonstrations, and one of the last ones was before hundreds of people at a large expo in Indiana. There I showed this setup with around 10 coils around this transmitter that was loaded with ferrite coils and their loads until I brought the power supply down to 4ma @ less than 3V. And it was easy to show everyone the difference between running just one bulb at that power level compared to all the other bulbs being powered by the process.
Anyway, as lower frequency is less of a gain than higher frequency, and as I really didn't want two sets of capacitors for the kit, I decided to make a more suitable bigger coil and transmitter for the next meetings the other week in NC. So I made the coils having the same inductance as the kit coils so the same caps could be used and then we could have the same 1.2 or so Mhz frequency.
The 180Mhz coil does not require 10 coils to do the phase mirroring effect, it would only require one additional coil if properly positioned to be in the right phasing relationship. That would be more of a Don Smith system with an internal coil, or external one around the primary. Don's goal wasn't to do that (power the primary or transmitter directly and so a greater potential available) but to do that indirectly by a 1/4 wave influence upon the battery wires going to the oscillator itself. Everyone is all fixated on making a self-runner a certain way, usually trying to push amps into the input, that they almost always miss what is far more important. Worry about those things after you get the core process down.
As for it being the magnetic fields or the capacitance fluxing, or both, it is not easy to figure out for yourself exactly...
Yeah, it isn't wise to follow people who are in cyberland and could be anyone. Who makes anyone an authority? What science authority is someone we should absolutely trust?
I would again disagree, conventional science knows a lot about magnetic resonance as we can see in the MRI technology. These are far too sweeping statements. Notice I never said that. I said "mainstream" floating theory/agenda contradicts itself and ignores what conventional science knows and practices in reference to these matters in relation to free energy processes. Conventional science does in fact use these processes daily and develops it quite extensively. And these kinds of sweeping generalizations on these forums create the wrong impression that it is otherwise. Therefore it has been a hobby of mine to notice as many places and examples I can of where this occurs. Again, it is not as though these processes are not understood, believed, or practiced in real commercial products that many engineers work on daily, but rather that they are not working on such in the context of producing free electrical generation. That is the slight of hand trick upon everyone. Does anyone get this point??? Thousands of patents are granted that use the very processes (which I organize as themes) to produce OU results so long as they are not overtly claiming OU in electrical power generation, and are in relation to optics or for something else. So, to create the impression that no one ever sees these processes when they do, really confuses the debate and problem that actually exists. It is not that people do not experience these things all the time, but that they don't realize the full extent of what is implied in these processes. The engineer hired to suppress the negative spike from the inductor does actually have an accurate real-world mathematics in his nonlinear software simulators that will accurately predict the responses in the real-world. The problem is that he is not hired to use this problematic phenomena but to eliminate it. It is a bad thing to kill, and thus the pun of "negative" energy. Now sometimes the do use it in a positive way, but that is another story. If they were hired to research the most with this that could be done, then they would find those of use who have been doing this for years. And indeed that often happens where we find such engineers knocking on our doors.

So you can see that because of these kinds of sweeping statements throughout these forums that there is even more tensions between people like G and myself when there doesn't need to be. One side overstates their position and misunderstands what is happening in the real commercial world of technology, and then the other side reacts and assumes that such people have no idea what they are talking about. So there is no real communication between these waring parties. No real attempt to understand each other and what each other actually believe or experiences. This does us no good. We must be careful not to oversimplify matters just as much as me must be careful not to over-complicate matters.

As for AG, I'm still not really understanding your context from your words. Maybe take a little more time to specify what you are staying. While it is true that you can get excess energy out of the external environment around any wire passing any current, it may not be worth the effort in parts/collectors/converters to process that gain. On the other hand it is worthy of doing with any high frequency transmission line, or any transmission line that is being impulsed very sharply. The former is the idea I often demonstrate at my meetings as showing the Don Smith dipole system where we tap the Heaviside flow. The latter is where we deal with the Tesla one wire system as partly illustrated with the wrongly called hairpin circuit but which is more fully expanded upon in figure 5 in The True Wireless paper. This I have been showing in my third stage process (black box) for many years now, and which Bedini taught about rightly in DVD7.
Yes some of these processes the magnetic kills the effect.
So I guess people need to experiment and learn these things. Lots of talk. Plenty of sensational videos and claims, but unless we personally experience these things then what does it matter?
Rick

a.king21 wrote: "Sorry for apparently going off topic.  The only reason I brought it up is to remind us that there are obvious ways to see that excess energy can be seen.  So if experimenters have not seen excess energy yet it does not mean that it is not there. It just means that the experiment is not right.
If my understanding is correct I think you need about 10 coils correctly positioned to get a phase lock using Rick's kt with the 180 khz design. The OU would not come from electrical connections the conventional way, but from the magnetic fields interacting in a resonant way.
This is why it is sometimes inappropriate to follow the directions of people who do not do these experiments and quote from EE books.
Conventional electrical science knows nothing about magnetic resonance  as Walter Lewin of MIT has proved."

AG response:
Well there must be a good few who do in Lithuania and a good few of the Russian speaking countries in fact there is a guy the 'master' who demonstrates it, alas he offers no circuit diagrams but explains any wire with current flowing in it can produce a 'pinch' effect' when driven by a pulse, he also says while your generating your magnetic field it kills the effect Nick Z talks about.
So sounds like you need to experiment, in some of the DS vids he shows a tiny neon spark gap, does that really work ??

[AlienGrey]

The reply editing window is so small it's useless when editing Rick's manuscripts!


As for my 180Khz bigger coil demo, this was just me making a random coil that was almost equal lengthwise with width which results in good Q.

I don't know if you have noticed but some frequencies yield different amplitudes and are more audio pleasing and are considered in tune with the planet and universe or is it to just some humans I say this as the Nazis didn't like bas 9 ie 432 and changed it to 440hz witch is base 8 witch is demonically oppressive.  You might have noticed DS device he said he used 31kh5 this is a base 9 frequency.
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Yeah, it isn't wise to follow people who are in cyberland and could be anyone. Who makes anyone an authority? What science authority is someone we should absolutely trust?

Well that depends some what if they are a 'cyber-man or not, aren't you in cyberland?
And it realy depends on if that some one in cyberland is in sync with what's going on about what's missing and then there is always experimentation.


As for AG, I'm still not really understanding your context from your words. Maybe take a little more time to specify what you are staying. While it is true that you can get excess energy out of the external environment around any wire passing any current, it may not be worth the effort in parts/collectors/converters to process that gain. On the other hand it is worthy of doing with any high frequency transmission line, or any transmission line that is being impulsed very sharply. The former is the idea I often demonstrate at my meetings as showing the Don Smith dipole system where we tap the Heaviside flow. The latter is where we deal with the Tesla one wire system as partly illustrated with the wrongly called hairpin circuit but which is more fully expanded upon in figure 5 in The True Wireless paper. This I have been showing in my third stage process (black box) for many years now, and which Bedini taught about rightly in DVD7.
Yes some of these processes the magnetic kills the effect.
So I guess people need to experiment and learn these things. Lots of talk. Plenty of sensational videos and claims, but unless we personally experience these things then what does it matter?
Because it does matter, is it the fact that a capacitor is charged with dielectric energy It takes time known as the rise time, but dielectric energy is fast perhaps even longitudinal energy.
AG

[popolibero]

Hello Rick,


I did pay attention to DVD7 when it came out and did quite a few experiments with solid state SG's and coils in series but didn't have much success back then, then I went on to work on other things. But resonance has always fascinated me.
In such a one wire setup, isn't there a limit as to how many resonant coils you can put in series? I mean, say you have HV cap as a source dipole and you switch it with abrupt impulses to your line with the correct frequency to resonate all the series coils in the line. Say the caps voltage is 1000V. This voltage would get divided  by the number of resonant series coils in the line. So, if you have 10 coils, each would be a resonating node at 100V max, right? But maybe you could put more resonant coils in parallel with each series coil?


Also, to get the power out of each coil, I don't think the way shown in DVD7 is a good method since putting the load (lamp or FWBR to cap) in parallel with the resonant coil as shown would hinder or greatly reduce resonance. Wouldn't a resonant coil with a step down secondary be much better? Or a series bifilar resonant coil with a low impedance load in the middle (the coils internal series connection). These are just some thoughts as I wouldn't mind give it another go, but I was wondering what your opinion is about these points.


thanks,
Mario