Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

[seaad]

Some stuff from http://www.energeticforum.com 2017 
(http://www.energeticforum.com/299241-post2322.html), (http://www.energeticforum.com/299247-post2325.html)

Table comparing the features of transformers, generators, and Figuera generator pic1:

A Transformer have FLUX LINKING as the type of induction.
A generator have FLUX CUTTING as the type of induction

Generator: different types
Its no problem to see from my second picture of a generator (type A), that this represent FLUX CUTTING. The bunch of wires really cuts the field -lines when the coil rotates.

But with picture three ( type B) it is more difficult to see flux cutting. Anyhow to me. Its more of FLUX LINKING because the rotating maget now close to the stator core acts as a coil in a transformer divided with a small air gap, increasing its magnetic power And then decreasing the same. The magnetic field-lines goes thru the core as in a normal transformer.
How to interpret that as FLUX CUTTING? (DZ gen)

Regards / Arne

[onielsen]

Sorry this is nonsense. If it were true, you would see the same behaviour in the distributed windings of induction motors, which you don't. If you complete a build yourself and make measurements with a flux probe you will see they just add. The Hyun Chung transformer works on the principle off induction due to the travelling wave and induction due to the pulsating component from the 3 phases.Read the patent again.


Regards


L192

Hi L192,
From the Hyun Chung patent application:

[0014]

   
• With such arrangement, the alternating field and traveling magnetic field, which are set up by the alternating magnetic flux produced by an energizing current flowing in the primary winding, induce electromotive forces generated by these fields to the secondary winding. The electromotive force induced into the secondary winding by the alternating field is substantially equal to the electric power which is supplied to the primary winding in order to flow an energizing current and from which some losses such as iron loss and copper loss are deducted. Thus, the electromotive forces (a force generated by the alternating field plus one generated by the traveling magnetic field), which are greater than the power supplied to the primary winding, are induced to the secondary winding so that self-excitation occurs. 

The bold lines could sound like claiming overunity even though this isn't put in the claims. Of course it is a mixture of EMF and power so who knows what he meant?! Then in paragraph 16:

[0016]

   
• If at least part of the electromotive forces induced in the secondary winding is provided to the primary winding, this enables self-excitation without a supply of electric energy from outside except the primary stage of starting-up.

Coherent fields
In a coil it is clearly seen that the field is coherent as doubling the turns number quadruples the stored energy at the same current. Doubling the turns number quadruples the inductance of the coil. The energy stored in an inductor is (1/2)LI². Thus quadrupling the inductance L at the same current I quadruples the stored energy.

If on the other hand the turns number is doubled by just putting two similar coils in series without having their magnetic fields share the same space in the same direction the inductance is just added up (doubled). Thus the stored energy is also only doubled.
The trick is to input the energy as separate waves and then mix the waves into a single coherent wave before extracting the energy. Several free energy devices looks like using this principle which W.B. Smith calls 'The Principle of Inversion.'

Energy in an inductor: https://wiki2.org/en/Inductor#Stored_energy
Inductance formulas: https://wiki2.org/en/Inductor#Inductance_formulas

Regards
Ole

[pedro1]

When making generator you move magnetic field across generator windings. This is constant field moving through windings. In Solid State Alternator (SSA - I call it) you move magnetic field by multiple overlapping windings arrangement. So please forget BEMF recovery/pulsing/etc for a moment and focus on making same magnetic field movement for induction. And do not overthink it because Faraday's law of induction is simple as that.

je ne pourrait dire mieux que T-1000  tout est la ,cesser de vous compliquer la vie avec des champs qui se croise haute fréquence et toute les autre théorie c'est tellement simple que cela va vous sauter dans les yeux REGARDER ET RÉFLÉCHISSER A UN GÉNÉRATEUR ,TOUTE EST LA et tenté de réplique un générateur avec ce que je vous ait montrez avec la rotation magnétique vous avez un des gros morceau du secret du dz générateur il ne suffit de trouvez le reste des petits détail qui reste et réfléchissez 36 bobine peuvent être relier avec une autre et vous pouvez isoler chaque bobine avec un relais (petit input)vous serez surpris par la simplicité du deuxième dz générateur qui est en cours de fabrication (un monstre de bobine et de fer )compliquer et simple a la fois .alors penser simple et ne vous éloigner pas trop de ses bases très simple.
Pierre C.

En.
I could not say it any better than T-1000!... everything is there, stop complicating your life with fields that cross high frequency and all the other theory. It's so simple that it will jump in your face. LOOK AND REFLECT ON A GENERATOR, EVERYTHING IS THERE. Attempt to replicate a generator with what I have showed you with magnetic rotation. You have one of the big part of the secret of the  DZ Generator. All that's left is to find the rest of the small details and reflect 36 coils can be connected with another and you can isolate each coil with a relay (small input) you will be surprised by the simplicity of the second dz generator that is being manufactured (a monster of coil and iron) complicate and simple at the same time. So think simple and don't drift away from its simple base.
Pierre C.

[jerdee]

je ne pourrait dire mieux que T-1000  tout est la ,cesser de vous compliquer la vie avec des champs qui se croise haute fréquence et toute les autre théorie c'est tellement simple que cela va vous sauter dans les yeux REGARDER ET RÉFLÉCHISSER A UN GÉNÉRATEUR ,TOUTE EST LA et tenté de réplique un générateur avec ce que je vous ait montrez avec la rotation magnétique vous avez un des gros morceau du secret du dz générateur il ne suffit de trouvez le reste des petits détail qui reste et réfléchissez 36 bobine peuvent être relier avec une autre et vous pouvez isoler chaque bobine avec un relais (petit input)vous serez surpris par la simplicité du deuxième dz générateur qui est en cours de fabrication (un monstre de bobine et de fer )compliquer et simple a la fois .alors penser simple et ne vous éloigner pas trop de ses bases très simple.
Pierre C.

En.
I could not say it any better than T-1000!... everything is there, stop complicating your life with fields that cross high frequency and all the other theory. It's so simple that it will jump in your face. LOOK AND REFLECT ON A GENERATOR, EVERYTHING IS THERE. Attempt to replicate a generator with what I have showed you with magnetic rotation. You have one of the big part of the secret of the  DZ Generator. All that's left is to find the rest of the small details and reflect 36 coils can be connected with another and you can isolate each coil with a relay (small input) you will be surprised by the simplicity of the second dz generator that is being manufactured (a monster of coil and iron) complicate and simple at the same time. So think simple and don't drift away from its simple base.
Pierre C.

Thank you Pierre. I can completely see why you are holding out on a much better prototype.  There are better ways to rotate the field. once you understand the concept of how to control it.  I know see how you can isolate each coil, and collect reflected signals together.  Much better signal field for flux cutting.  Thank you for your hard work and dedication.  Very much appreciate your endeavors.


Jerdee

[konehead]

Hi L192
Why would I bother with DZ generator is obvious
It loops
Plus video shows 170W in 1600w out
Duh
Who would not want to bother with it?
Rotovertor  motor has overlapping winds in staor why I mentioned it and virtual phase is overunity in that rotating transformer phase
Could have similarities to DZ generator functioning