Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[lukaszkwiatkowskii]

Nie kapuje poco mu drut w środku, przecież im większa gęstość zjonizowanych atomów gazu tym większa przewodność, a poza tym nie trzeba ani MHz, ani kW i niekoniecznie muszą być też impulsy HV żeby zjonizować gaz, np.: lampy wzbudzane indukcją magnetyczną https://cdn.fulham.com/PDFs/Fulham_HighHorseInduction.pdf .

[r2fpl]

To jakie jest minimum dla jonizacji gazu ? Najpierw następuje przebicie, a potem podtrzymanie. Przebicie to HV, a podtrzymanie już nie koniecznie. np.Lampy rtęciowe.

[lukaszkwiatkowskii]

Niema konkretnej stałej na tak ogólne pytanie, gdyż to jest problem złożony obliczeniowo, np.: symulacja lampy bez-elektrodowej
https://www.comsol.com/model/electrodeless-lamp-10062
https://www.comsol.com/model/download/789421/models.plasma.electrodeless_lamp.pdf

[stivep]

What is this, an analog computer?
To simulate the Schrödinger equation in real time?

can you give me link to the article or book I can find on the net?
Wesley

[pix]

Wesley,
Quote:

"where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Reply:
In my proposal there is no need for anode and cathode, because central conductor is acting both.
Emitting electrons during HV pulse- free electrons outside conductor being accelerated by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave,
and they fall back to conductor, eventually kicking off more electrons.  It might act like dynode  electrons multiplication ,
an "extra" process for electrons drag inside conductor.

To be clear- all above proposals for HV "kicking" of central conductor are just my guess,
I didn't tested them in practice. It is just a thinking how we could improve process of electrons drag inside conductor by traveling wave,
by giving them an extra energy and possibly Dynode-like multiplication effect by accelerating them when they jumped outside conductor.


But let's put aside all my proposals and guessing.
Let's come back to original text of Thonemann patent, it is clearly mentioned :
Progressive magnetic field of traveling wave could be used to drive current in longitudinal conductor or semiconductor.
Unfortunately,in his patent he presented examples to drive current in vacuum tubes with anode and cathode, 
he didn't presented example with solid conductor.

I assume Thonemann didn't lie in his patent and  it is true statement that current in solid conductor could be driven this way.
Driving current in solid conductor by his invention- "PER SE" it is very interesting,
because we will not have Lenz action like in normal electromagnetic induction ( transformers, generators).
And effect ( current  flowing in conductor) is ENHANCING the cause (progressive magnetic field of traveling wave).
Not acting AGAINST the cause. This is a beautiful effect itself which is worth exploration.

Regards,
Pix