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[bistander]

Ufopolitics,


I have not seen one replicated example of Clemente Figueras work that demonstrates an efficiency over 100%.
With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.


From my experience with the DZ and modeling with FEMM, I would speculate that a standard three phase stator and a DC switched 16 salient pole rotor will produce good induction (at normal line voltages) in the stator windings, although a switched sequence of four salient poles per pole would not produce the highest phase power (for a given load). The highest phase power would be achieved by having three salient poles ON per pole and then rotating that arrangement. 


However, I cannot see how rotating poles by either means, changes the flux coupling that will occur between rotor and stator, which will ensure the load on the stator windings is seen fully by the switched rotor DC power supply.


L192

Hi L192,
I find close similarities in your post with regards to my analysis of the 16-tooth 4-pole Holcomb rotor having coils on individual teeth, what you refer to as 4 salient poles/pole. Points which I have tried to stress are highlighted/bolded.

With regards to the second bolded passage, I go further and think excitation of two coils per pole would work best. Actually I find it absurd to wind such a pattern. In shop terms, it has a coil span of slots 1 to 2, or in layman terms, each coil surrounding a single tooth. Then, by connecting 4 coils in a group to form a single functional pole, essentially 3 coils are made redundant. A coil span of 1 to 5, encompassing 4 teeth or equalling the pole pitch would appear ideal, however this allows no interpolar region or transfer space between poles of opposite polarity. That is why you find the common 16 tooth 4 pole rotor wound using a coil span of 1 to 4 and lap wound, short corded, or span of 1 to 5 fully corded. Typically these are excited via a mechanical commutator, but certainly could be sequentially excited using solid state electronics.
Just opinions from an old DC motor designer. Carry on.
bi

[Ufopolitics]

With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.

Pierre's DZ Generator was a Single Phase Sync type, except, He reverted the rotor to the outside.
Now, if we go to a typical, rotating single phase generator, the exciting field is based on a two pole rotor, so, at all times during rotation, there are also some coils -on the stator- which do not have any "flux coupling" to the rotor.
And the point here is that there always should be some of the coils at an "idle" stage during operation.
Normally, this "idling stage" (on the single phase types) is used to induce the rotor exciting field coils on stator (retro-feeding circuit), whether through the brushes or by the LC Tank Circuit of the "brushless generators".

Regards

Ufopolitics

[listener192]

Of course not...otherwise we all would have the key to FE and OU by now...
I have seen your work and it is impressive, a lot of effort!!, however, as many others, that are tight up to the classic magnetic field theories, dedicated more time to the Arduino Program, to the switching boards circuit, and very little about trying to see your magnetic field rotating, measuring field strenght, etc,etc.
Pierre Cotnoir knowledge about magnetism is very limited, as He admit it himself on that Thread, IMO He hit the jackpot without knowing how he did it...and then after burning first setup, he totally lost all original and working device essence to make it work.
Where have you seen Pierre's new configuration, after He burnt first DZ Generator?
Could you provide a link?...thks

Of course, it is mentioned by Pierre on his posts, the more you brake down the main field pole(s), the HIGHER RESOLUTION you will get.
That is why HES uses multiple single coils on his Solid State Rotor for the standing alone units.
What I have learned over the years working on these systems, is that collapsing the field, at any point in time, will kill your output currents. So, you MUST ALWAYS keep a higher portion of the Field "alive" during transitions/translations of the field.
Second, the "amount of Field alive" should match up your Stator Coils width.
These Systems work as MECHANICAL GEARS, Your Rotor have gears, as well as your stator...and so, if the salient tooth of both gears, do not align between them, or are too separated, to the point of not binding properly...then output would be very poor if any.
As many details come up as well, like spacing between gears tooth, sync timing, pressures at rotation, etc,etc.
An Electronic Rotating Field is very fast and very subtle, faster than a rotating steel mass attached to the field, so if it is not ENGAGED properly, having in mind all attributes I have mentioned above, once you accelerate exciting Field, gears will start slipping off their tracks with Stator communication...and no powerful output would be obtained.
When I saw Pierre Cotnoir on one of his videos, get a piece of paper on top of generator assembly and dump some steel shavings...I got highly disappointed.
There are very new advanced methods to see the real magnetic field in movement, more clearly than loose, randomly spread steel dirt.
The Magnetic Viewing Film is one of them...just to cite the simplest and less expensive one.

Ufopolitics

Re Pierres new generator: Pierre has taken down all his you tube content, so it is no longer available, however someone may have downloaded the new generator configuration. It was the same stator with coils located in the slots but wrapped to the outer of the stator basically coils energizing around the stator, the flux being contained in the stator except where the rotor engages.
This was the wrong way to go. He showed flux rotating around the stator with iron filings but nothing else.


I think maybe you are mistaking me for someone else, as I made a lot of flux measurements with Hall probes. That was how I determined that only a small level of flux was actually crossing the rotor in the DZ. I don't have blind faith in devices that appear to be incredible, I need to replicate to confirm claimed operation or not and thats what I did with the DZ.


Regarding the rotating field (or should I say discretly stepped field). I don't disagree with what you have said, including rotor pole width equaling stator pole width, to maximise induction

however, how is this rotating field supposed to result in stator power output above 100% efficiency? This was the question I wanted you to answer.


L192

[listener192]

Pierre's DZ Generator was a Single Phase Sync type, except, He reverted the rotor to the outside.
Now, if we go to a typical, rotating single phase generator, the exciting field is based on a two pole rotor, so, at all times during rotation, there are also some coils -on the stator- which do not have any "flux coupling" to the rotor.
And the point here is that there always should be some of the coils at an "idle" stage during operation.
Normally, this "idling stage" (on the single phase types) is used to induce the rotor exciting field coils on stator (retro-feeding circuit), whether through the brushes or by the LC Tank Circuit of the "brushless generators".

Regards

Ufopolitics


Well yes in the case of the DZ, only the coils in registration with the rotor did any useful work.

[listener192]

Hi L192,
I find close similarities in your post with regards to my analysis of the 16-tooth 4-pole Holcomb rotor having coils on individual teeth, what you refer to as 4 salient poles/pole. Points which I have tried to stress are highlighted/bolded.

With regards to the second bolded passage, I go further and think excitation of two coils per pole would work best. Actually I find it absurd to wind such a pattern. In shop terms, it has a coil span of slots 1 to 2, or in layman terms, each coil surrounding a single tooth. Then, by connecting 4 coils in a group to form a single functional pole, essentially 3 coils are made redundant. A coil span of 1 to 5, encompassing 4 teeth or equalling the pole pitch would appear ideal, however this allows no interpolar region or transfer space between poles of opposite polarity. That is why you find the common 16 tooth 4 pole rotor wound using a coil span of 1 to 4 and lap wound, short corded, or span of 1 to 5 fully corded. Typically these are excited via a mechanical commutator, but certainly could be sequentially excited using solid state electronics.
Just opinions from an old DC motor designer. Carry on.
bi

Hi Bistander,


Yes indeed, once you realize that sequencing individual salient poles doesn't gain you anything, then winding around individual salient poles only provides lower coil impedance i.e. parallel switching. As you have said you could just wind coils around three salient poles to form a pole. As for allowing a gap between poles, I totally concur.


I think you can build a low voltage DC powered AC line generator this way, that would produce a reasonable sine. Of course it would suck power and have low conversion efficiency compared with a static inverter.


L192