Source of energy, Testatika

[Steven Dufresne]

Don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but could it be that the Testatika simply puts its electrostatic charges via a spark gap into a tesla coil (such as the pictures of jorge resines show), transforming it into high frequency and therefore probably getting enough to light a bulb?

Or would that even work in theory?

Sure, but some step in the sequence you mention has to tap into an energy source otherwise it wouldn't keep running.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[gauschor]

So, long time no actualisation here... I have investigated some pictures again and tried to
Determine what is *not* important on the device regarding conversion into electricity: (sorry, this stuff is maybe old for most of you)

Linden Experiment: I think everyone has read Potters claim that he thinks the Testatika uses an electrode avalanche effect. But of course this is no big help, since an avalanche effect takes place already if you'll get a spark breakthrough between 2 electrodes. There is plenty of avalanches in this whole device...
The one possible additional function I can think of is that the cable wound around the magnet shall show that Baumann uses a resonant circuit. But then again.. isn't this effect only for smoothing the electricity? Therefore it could be "skipped".
This U-shaped magnet with Copper/Plexiglass/Alu capacitors in between the latest Testatika pictures could be "irrelevant" to the function of the Testatika because: the very first Testatika worked without such U-shaped magnets. The yellow marked areas in the picture below are only for driving the disc by electrostatic push and pull principles (besides that the electrostatic charge is also the power source).
Also you certainly remember Potters picture showing about 20 cylindrical aluminium +1 copper sheet in the large can. But then look again at the very first Testatika device: I don't think that Baumann put 20 sheets into this small cylinder. It doesn't fit in my opinion. Instead he put in something small with a principle we don't understand but which amplifies the current. Maybe a row of magnet rings in it causing quenched spark gaps (like Potter has shown on his sketch)?

To determine which parts of the device are really important:
The main conversion must take place in these 2 mystic cylinders. If you look on the left can you see some copper through the grid, so there could be a huge transformer coil. But if you look on the right cylinder you don't see a coil, but somehow dark hexagon like openings under the grid. The question is what happens really in them?

What I want to say by that paragraph is, that I guess, all the later Testatikas are only improved versions and make people more confused than necessary. It is the small Testatika that must be disclosed first. Although this is not possible so easy...

I'm adding: I always wondered how it can work that you produce 1 pole (+) on the left can and the other pole (-) on the other can. If you had a common step down transformer in 1 cylinder that would be charged via a sparkgap you would get AC as the result. So with a rectifier you would already receive DC. But what for is the second can then?

[Steven Dufresne]

I'm adding: I always wondered how it can A that you produce 1 A (+) on the left can and the other pole (-) on the other can. If you had a common step down transformer in 1 cylinder that would be charged via a sparkgap you would get AC as the result. So with a rectifier you would already receive DC. But what for is the second can then?

I can see the reason for two cans and in fact was thinking about the problem this morning. But it has to do with my particle creation via vacuum energy idea:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy
and so there is no rectifier or step down transformer.

To do some basic tests of my idea I realized that Aaron Murakami's EV Gray tube circuit, matches exactly the process that would happen if my idea were right. See the first attached diagram below, Aaron's circuit modified to use a Van de Graaff machine. According to my idea, C2's voltage must be built up so that the grid (the dashed lines beside the rod in the tube) will have sufficient negative charge so that when the spark gap between the two rods fires, a bunch more negative particles are created from vacuum energy in the grid's holes. But then this sudden increased negative charge on the grid causes an arc between the grid and the rod and C2 is discharged. This also results in a large current in the coil. However, we've lost the voltage on C2 and have to build it up again before the effect can repeat.

What'd be nice is if we could have a circuit that allows the effect without C2 becoming discharged as a result. Basically we want to isolate the vacuum energy side of the circuit from the driving circuit. The two cans of the testatika may be doing that. See the second attached diagram below.

In this case the output cylinders are electrically isolated from anything else in the cans. According to my current idea, under control of the other stuff, one of the output cylinders would have positive charges created from vacuum energy while the other output cylinder would have negative charges created from vacuum energy. When this happens there would be current through the load. Meanwhile, the other stuff would retain it's charge - though it would of course be temporarily redistributed during the particle creation event.

So the purpose of the cans may be for purposes of isolating the output flow part of the circuit from the driving part.

More on the EV Gray circuit here (and more to come):
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/ev_gray/ev_gray_van_de_graaff_01.htm
More on particle creation in the testatika here:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy/particle_creation_in_the_testatika.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[gauschor]

I want to hijack this thread, because I'm thinking that this could be the source of energy from the thestatica. Yesterday I stepped upon the "Magnet Resonance Amplifier" http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnetic_Resonance_Amplifier From all theories I've seen, this one looks like the most probable as the source of energy of the Thestatika.

If you read the article you see, that they claimed to gain about 5 times output compared to the input. Someone also claimed to achieved 3KW out of 290milliWatts using an input power of only 10V AC having about 29µA, which remembers me of the Thestatika a lot. If you ever tried to measure output power from a Wimshurst machine, it's about in the same area of microAmperage. This could fit perfectly.

Also I remember that Baumann was a clockbuilder (hint: he has knowledge on how to use Quarz Crystals, Piezoelectricity/Frequencies) and there are rumors which claimed that he gained deep knowledge of magnets by a "Magnet-Guru" => both parts combined he probably found out what is claimed to be the "Magnetic Resonance Amplifier" (MRA).

I think there are 2 ways to build a Thestatika out of it:
1. Either you use a piezo crystal the way it is shown in the MRA sketch
2. Or you need to emulate the piezo crystal via an amount of spools and capacitors

I don't know which one he used, and also it could be that I am misinterpreting something on my associations shown on the picture attached. In my interpretation I think that the electrostatic charge is mostly used for driving the discs (using electrostatic attraction and repulsion), an nothing more. Only a small amount of electrostatic charge is collected from the discs and used to create a frequency by using some (not understandable) arrangements of coils and capacitors. As you know - when collecting the electrostatic charge it's the same like a small spark gap, although mostly not visible. A spark gap always has major frequencies in it (so it's not only 60 Hertz e.g. 1 Hertz/Segment of the disc), but much more. In the sketch below it is suggested to use a signal of 20-40Khz. In my theory he then either uses a piezo crystal or an "Emulation" construction to create the same effect like the piezo with a certain frequency. This frequency enables to tap the energy from the magnets, therefore causing stronger induction than usual. What exactly happens with this Piezo - I don't know, but it looks very essential.

Please feel free to add your comments. I am currently considering to build this MRA, but must find the appropriate parts yet...

[sm0ky2]

i'm attaching a crude diagram to help explain this a little.

in their simplest form, as described by Paul, these components appear to serve an important function, not only as the devices "leyden jars/caps" but also in limiting the voltage maximums, and boosting the available current flow.

now, when i first approached this problem, i had made all sorts of falce assumptions concerning the induced polarities within the different layers of the cans.

experimentation has since proven that the cans must be all one polarity. a negative can, and a positive can.
the +/- labeling is in regards to the direction of current in his circuit through the machine. Thus the polarity marked at the center input of the cans is their respective polarity.

essentially, the center of the coil is the initial charged-conductor.
this has a voltage and charge-capacitance function, which places the first liminting boundary on the incomming spark.

this is where, not only size, but relative/proportional surface area comes into play. When you place a charged conductor in close proximity to an uncharged conductor, it will induce a charge in the secondary conductor, equalling/balancing itself with the original charge.
there is an ionization of the air between the two conductors,
(a plasma forms above a certain threshhold)
and energy is transfered from one conductor to the other through this ionized pathway.

this process is important because, each concentric ring through the can has a higher charge-capacitance than the ring before it.
meaning it freely accepts the ionization from its previous ring.

but also, the larger surface area allows the conductor to discharge more rapidly (increasing the current)
so the relative voltage sits at around or slightly less than the charge-potential of the center conductor (coil).  each successive layer will induce a similar charge, with more available current.

what interesting to note is that once the initial induction occurs,
then cans don't "discharge", and it appears that the current flow is not comming from the actual charge conductors (leyden jars) but from the source of the actual charge separation, through the electrostatic device. meaning that the ionic path established equally at both intput and outputs, is allowing the current to flow, irrespective to charge/discharge/sparks/ect.. 

in fact, im prepared to support a hypothesis, that when the machine is operational, there are no sparks at all anywhere in the system,
that it is operating under a unique condition of a steady ionized-flow into, through and out of the machine.
tapping straight into the source of the charge imbalance the machine is harvesting.

the only sparks that should manifest themselves, are when you first plug into an external circuit. because the rest of the machine maintains a conductive pathway like a solid wire of ionic-current




take two baloons, same size, charge one and hang it next to the other.
not touching, but near. and one will induce a like charge in the other, they will both begin to push away from one another.
now lets say that these ballons had a charge-capacity of 700V
so you charge one baloon to 700v, place it next to the other,
the baloons will create an ionized current path between them, and both find an equilibrium at approx 350V, now if this ionized air is maintained, both baloons will discharge simultaneously and twice as much current would flow out of  the discharged baloon as it normally would

charge-capacitance is not necessiarily affected by mass,. but more-so by surface area.

a larger surface area can hold more "charge". this is effectively measured in voltage, because the charged conductor is acting as a capacitor or sorts.

current only comes into play when you are discharging. now, what if you aren't discharging? but rather constantly sustaining the charge, like the inside and outside of a van-de-graff globe?

what is missing from the methernitha videos? when you look at or hear recordings of these devices, and compare them to every other device that resembles it?  the pigeon, the whimshurst, hte electrophorous, ect..... what is missing?

Sparks. popping, flashing, the periodic "zap" "zap" "zap"

this is because theres no charge/discharge cycle, the entire system sets up an ionic flow from the disk collectors to the output terminals.

so in the collection of ions, it is a lot like Wimshurst/pigeon machines
but it the circuitry, it is much more like the direct-ion flow that is utilized in the Van-De-Graff machines.

think of the cans in terms of multiple, or a multi-layered capacitor(s).