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Successful TPU-ECD replication !

Started by mrd10, June 12, 2007, 05:12:47 AM

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zerotensor

@ergo said:
QuoteIt doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.
If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.
Quotethe magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.
If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material.  Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous.  There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence.  Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically.  Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.
QuoteAny waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.
There is delay.  The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric.  When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant.  The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.

Drossen

@Ergo

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia relating to rotating magnetic fields:

"A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems."

When the coils in an electric motor are pulsed in a certain sequence, a rotating magnetic field is created.  The TPU has control coils that are arranged in a similar fashion to that of an electric motor.  When these control coils are pulsed in the right order, a rotating magnetic field is generated.

You may argue that the coils are being rotated, but there are electric motors where the coils are stationary (static) and the permanent magnets are on the rotor.  The magnets cause the rotor to turn as they follow the rotating magnetic field generated by the coils.  Your statement about rotating magnetic fields in a static coil just proves how ignorant you are.  You should do more research before you post your opinions as facts.

Drossen
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Ergo

I'm not ignorant. I'm still right. I told you the fields could not rotate in a static unit.
And they wont. This has nothing to do with three phase AC current.
The magnetic field will stay exactly where the winding is put, no matter how many phases you use.
It's not moving. Each phase applied will create its own field and each of these fields is stationary.
There is simply no movement. Ones a field is applied it is immediately present and it stays put until shut down.

In an electric motor, either the windings or the magnets will move, depending on the design topology.
The use of several phases in a motor is just to lower cogging and increase efficiency but it's not a necessity.

Quote from: Drossen on March 07, 2008, 04:09:24 PM
@Ergo

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia relating to rotating magnetic fields:

"A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems."

When the coils in an electric motor are pulsed in a certain sequence, a rotating magnetic field is created.  The TPU has control coils that are arranged in a similar fashion to that of an electric motor.  When these control coils are pulsed in the right order, a rotating magnetic field is generated.

You may argue that the coils are being rotated, but there are electric motors where the coils are stationary (static) and the permanent magnets are on the rotor.  The magnets cause the rotor to turn as they follow the rotating magnetic field generated by the coils.  Your statement about rotating magnetic fields in a static coil just proves how ignorant you are.  You should do more research before you post your opinions as facts.

Drossen

Ergo

Nothing you said made any sense....

Quote from: zerotensor on March 07, 2008, 02:57:32 PM
@ergo said:
QuoteIt doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.
If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.
Quotethe magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.
If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material.  Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous.  There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence.  Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically.  Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.
QuoteAny waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.
There is delay.  The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric.  When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant.  The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.

Ergo

Sorry but this is not proof.
You show me a working Bedini motor. One that is 100% confirmed overunity by more than just one guy.
If you can do this I will reconsider the Bedini concept. Otherwise I stand to my point.

Regarding the confimation stuff, you'd better give me a straight link to the violation of the thermodynamics laws.
I don't have the patience or time look through this stuff right now. It's a very fuzzy reference.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 02:47:56 PM
Ergo:  I appreciate your thoughts since you appear to be highly educated in conventional EM theory. . . but I feel like you are ignoring certain experimental facts, as well as the implications of quantum electrodynamics (broken symmetry, assymetrical reguaging, etc). There are have been many replications of Bedini motors with overunity using a two battery system.

Here is your reference :

As stated, strong gradients are an area already known and recognized to violate the second law of thermodynamics, and not much is known about them, either theoretically or experimentally. For confirmation, see Dilip Kondepudi and Illya Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engines to Dissipative Structures, Wiley, Revised and Corrected, 1999, p. 459.