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The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

Started by ltseung888, July 20, 2007, 02:43:44 AM

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Pirate88179

@ TinselKoala:

Great video!  Wow, you proved the theory is correct. (Ha ha)  When you applied the Lee-Tseung pulses at the proper times with your fingers, the device spun.  That spinning device is FREE ENERGY!  All of the math works out just like Lawrence said.  Of course, we have to ignore any energy that you transferred to the devices via your fingers but hey, that is exactly what Lawrence does in all of his experiments.  That has been one of my main problems all along.

The legendary 4-legged stool was spinning too.  Again, free energy.  Here we have to ignore the energy input by the two Chinese children that were turning it.  When you take that out of the equation, the math works.

Anyway, nice video.  Now you see what we are up against here.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
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TinselKoala

@atomicX: I just have two words for you: air resistance.
@Pirate: Thanks!

But seriously, give me a testable hypothesis and I'll do my best to test it.

(edit to add Ibison's Law: If your simulation or math model gives you results that are in conflict with CofE, CofM, or 2LoT, your simulation or model is in error.)

utilitarian

Quote from: atomicX on November 07, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
Well.... an interesting case.  I guess each of us have an interesting personal problem. 

I understand your point about experiment holds no result, but we must do the experiment and verify the result is null.  There is no room for assumption, we must not let any stone unturned.  We do not have a choice.  However, before that takes place, we must heavily verify the validity of his equations.  I found the block point between ltseung description on a pulse force and his horizontal energy equation.  It leaves room to argue namely once the pulse force is cutoff, there is no define horizontal work.  I rewrite the work equation using tension force components.  The equation simplified to a ratio of 1 variable, angle a.  This is plotted by MATLAB program.  Of course the validation only correspond to very small angle.  The ratio approach 2 as angle approach zero.  The physical meaning in my interpretation is that when the pendulum moving at position 270 degree, there is an energy gain. 

I will admit I am not sure how what you graphed relates to the Lead Out Theory.  But here is my point.  Tseung's theory, in a nutshell, is that by adding additional energy into an already swinging pendulum, via the tension in the string, you somehow come out with a situation where the total energy in the system is greater than the sum of its parts (the added "pull" plus the existing energy).  Have you ever observed this to be true? 

I think if it were true, it would immediately be observed by bicyclists, who would notice a boost of energy out of nowhere, depending on which point in the rotation cycle they applied pressure to the pedals.  It would also be immediately observable in an internal combustion engine.  If you observe the path of a moving piston, you will see that the base of it rotates in a circle.  Surely, with the millions of manhours spent on perfecting the ICE, some engineer somewhere would have noticed that adding a "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a particular stage of the cycle gained additional energy.  Yet, no one has noticed anything.

Tseung will take great pains in pointing out how such and such is not a perfect example of the Lee-Tseung system, but it really makes no sense why these are different.  He himself has suggested that a solid pendulum swinging in a cylinder is a good example of a Lee-Tseung system, so why is a piston in an ICE or a bicycle crank any different?

Just don't ask him for an explanation.  He knows enough physics to muddy the waters, but then you hit a block, and the logic starts going in a circular motion.  It ends up being a bootstrapping argument that he is making, but he will never admit it in a million years.

Why he cannot give a demonstration?  Well, it's because the balls don't spin like he thinks they do, so he sticks with theory, not practice.

Top Gun

Quote from: atomicX on November 07, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
Well.... an interesting case.  I guess each of us have an interesting personal problem. 

I understand your point about experiment holds no result, but we must do the experiment and verify the result is null.  There is no room for assumption; we must not let any stone unturned.  We do not have a choice.  However, before that takes place, we must heavily verify the validity of his equations.  I found the block point between ltseung description on a pulse force and his horizontal energy equation.  It leaves room to argue namely once the pulse force is cutoff, there is no define horizontal work.  ***That is the reason for the pulse force *** I rewrite the work equation using tension force components.  The equation simplified to a ratio of 1 variable, angle a.  This is plotted by MATLAB program.  Of course the validation only correspond to very small angle.  The ratio approach 2 as angle approach zero.  The physical meaning in my interpretation is that when the pendulum moving at position 270 degree, there is an energy gain. 

Dear atomicX,

I am glad that someone who knows mathematics and physics is willing to examine the equations.

Please examine slide 3 in presentation files (click on presentation files to get there) http://hk.geocities.com/winghang20022002/ carefully again.  The most important statements in that slide are:
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When a sideward pull is applied to a simple pendulum, the lead out gravitational energy is equal to
The vertical component of the tension of the string times the vertical component of the displacement.  
So long as there is tension on the string, gravitational energy will be Lead Out. 
From slide 10 to 15, five different ways of pulling the pendulum are shown.  The first way introduces zero tension on scale A.  No gravitational energy will be led out in this case.  The remaining four ways all involve some tension on scale A.  They will all lead out gravitational energy.  Only the mathematics for the fourth case is shown as it is the easiest for the average person.

Please comment on these cases first.  We can then have juicy and meaningful discussions.

Top Gun

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 07, 2008, 04:41:08 PM
I will then happily build or assemble that stack of stuff and test away, at my own expense within reason of course.

Then I will report the results here, and to Mr. Obama, and to the Chinese authorities, and to God and the reptilian invaders from Arcturus, the Federation of Light, and anybody else who might be interested.

I am glad that someone in this forum is willing to do experiments.  Please start on experiment001.jpg in message 3268.  I am reproducing the information here.  If you have doubts on the experimental set up or procedures, please raise it in this thread before doing the experiment.

I am introducing the experiments one-by-one.  Get the results for this one before the next.  The final result will be a flying saucer using lead-out-energy.  But let us do it one experiment at a time.