The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...

[ZL]

poynt99 & Dog-One

"I understand the principle of how this in theory works, but I am not convinced the theory will prove out in practice. I take it that neither yourself nor the inventor have actually performed the proposed test? I also take it that neither has a demonstration device exhibiting COP>1?"

If you would really have understood the mathematical proof that Mr. Vajda has presented, you would not doubt that those equations model reality very accurately, and consequently that the mathematical modelling precisely predicts the behavior of the waves in practice. You would also not doubt, that the total power radiated through a closed surface in far field surrounding the antennas would be accurately predicted by the formulas and diagrams presented in his book. Naturally you have the right to doubt, and believe in whatever religious and irrational dogma of the establishment you want, it's not my problem.

I personally did not perform this measurement for several reasons. The primary reason is that I understand the mathematical proof in the paper of Janos, just like I do understand that the volume of a cube can be accurately predicted by the formula V=L^3 where L is the length of one side. Now if I would end up in jungle, among a not very developed tribe, where people believe that by doubling the length of the sides of a cube, it can take max. twice the water than before; would I have to carve myself a huge cube into a huge log at great expense to prove myself that my formula "will prove out in practice"? Certainly not, I know my formula is correct, because I know geometry and know that mathematics also accurately models reality. I would just tell them that by doubling the length of the cube's sides, it's volume would increase 8-fold (and not only 2-fold).

There would be certainly uproar, debunking, ridicule, and protests, but none of their attacks and discrediting efforts would change the truth and reality a tiny bit. I could explain them a way to perform measurements to prove the validity of my formula for themselves, but they would have to do the carving themselves, not me.

The second reason is that for accurately performing this measurement special microwave instrumentation and a well prepared deaf room is needed. The microwave instruments are not as affordable as a 100MHz oscilloscope or a digital multimeter, and building a decent deaf room is also expensive. I don't have such equipment. Even the renting of a well equipped lab for this purpose would be expensive and not for my pocket, (certainly not for this type of measurement which I consider "not too exciting"). However, if I would be skeptical and very eager to prove myself, I would certainly save up for the renting of a lab-room.

Third, microwave technology is not my specialty. I did study electrotechnics at a university, so I do have the necessary basis to understand the math of Janos, and the laws of EM waves which he uses. However, microwave technology is a quite specialized area of electrotechniques, just like eye surgery in medicine. A GM practitioner would understand how to operate an eye, but he would still not venture on operating his patients at his home just for this reason, and without sufficient preparatory training. When I decide to set my mind on measurements and development in microwave technology, then I will first spend few months on upgrading my existing knowledge in the field of microwave tech.

Forth, originally I stumbled into the idea of gaining FE from acoustic interference on my own and was trying to find a way to overcome the low power density of acoustic waves. Then by some kind of synchronicity I have found the book of Mr. Vajda in a bookstore hidden behind thick volumes, so that people should not find it without luck, or by specifically searching for it. That is when I have visited Janos, and we begun to work together on the translation of his book. He came out with the concept first, so I fully agree that the credit for discovering and publishing the proof belongs to Mr. Vajda. My personal contribution to this subject of FE from wave fields (besides translating, writing articles, and running my website) so far is the explanation where the excess energy comes from, which I will explain in more detail in a separate paper later. But the basics are already given in my simplified explanation. Janos did not explain this question beyond the comments, or rather questions he made in his book, because he was a practical man, and did not care too much about why it works. He rather cared about how to make it practically useful as an FE generator, and he did that perfectly.

So far I have left the area of microwaves to Janos, because this was his field, and he knew this better than me. But now that he is gone, this might have to change. In mean time I was working on the principle in my chosen field of acoustics. This is the reason I have added an update to my webpage saying that even though in 2003 I thought acoustics has no potential for significant power density to make it practically useful, this has changed since then. I have found a way to bypass this obstacle, and if I live long enough and get sufficient financial support, then an acoustic equivalent of Janos' invention will be the result.

Janos has performed many measurements, which unambiguously proved the violation of the law of energy conservation. If you read carefully the documents on my site (which you apparently did not do)  then you will see that I have already explained it in detail. First were the measurements of proof, only later as a matter of curiosity did he develop the mathematical proof as a by product. There is no dilemma here "which was first, the chicken or the egg?"

Now, did he perform this specific measurement that was published or not? That I have not asked him. I considered this unimportant since he showed me results of other measurements that proved the theory correct. By the way I have found an ancient VHS video of very bad quality that shows Mr. Vajda performing a proof of concept measurement. But not this type, which needs a lab deaf-room. He rather focused on building wave amplifier devices like those in his patent application. One such amplifier is tested on the video, when he has proven with measurements, that the amplification COP of this specific test device is about 1.2.

I will transcribe the talk of Janos and translate what he said into better English, and then add it as subtitles. Then it can be upload to my youtube channel if the owners of the video approve of it. I will let you know when ready.

So, YES there were measurements that proved COP>1, and yes there is at least one original video showing Janos himself doing this measurement. But I know that for the antagonists and disinfo agents no such video or presented results will be proof enough. The only way to prove this that demolishes all scepticism is if the sceptic himself does the measurement. This is another reason why I am not so eager to perform such basic "provings". I would rather build amplifiers and measure their performance like Janos did. Nevertheless, I am still eager to see the results of the proposed deaf room measurement (which does not requires a wave amplifier) if someone would perform it and share the results.

"The trick though is all the transmitters need to have the exact same frequency and be timed (i.e. phased) properly. Any overlap of the transmitted signals results in a stronger signal at the receivers."

Of course, if you have understood the book of Janos, you must know that for gaining excess power you must use identical frequencies, and phase. Without this there is no gain in total power.

" The received signal strength is not some multiple of all the transmitted signals however, it is more of a sum."

For gaining power the identical frequency, phase, and polarization are not enough. The distance between the antennas is also crucial. Just read the book of Janos several times, and if it still did not sink in what are the requirements for total power gain, then read some more. It's all there spoon-fed to al who have sufficient intelligence and prerequisite knowledge of the field.

OK, so let me give away a "little secret" that one has to keep in mind when aiming for COP>1. There should be negligible, or at least minimal energy coupling between the input antennas or apertures. This is why Janos has put the dipoles on a common axis, because the radiation is negligible along the axes of the antenna rods/wires. If all these requirements are not strictly implemented according to precise calculations in the transmission setup, then naturally you will not obtain COP>1 total resultant power output. This is the reason why you will need to understand how to use those math formulas, if you want to develop FE devices. Simple fiddling and guessing will not get you very far.

"Surely the radio engineers and technicians developing, installing and testing such systems would have recognized any exponential increased in received signal strength by now if they in fact did occur in a simulcast system?"

The civil engineers and technicians are all subjected to severe brainwashing operations for several years before they get their diplomas. And they get that only, if they prove first that their brainwashing is in place and they are staunch religious believers of the "law of energy conservation" dogma. If you doubt it even for a second and they find it out, you won't get your degrees and you will never work as a professional on these systems. Even those who measure the "anomalous" truth later will rather believe in measurement errors, than the blasphemy of non-conservation. Even if they believe that they have correctly measured COP>1, they would still not dare to announce this publicly before their retirement, because  they would lose their job and carrier.

This is why Janos waited with such a move until he got retired. And by the way, there are still such rare exceptions, who did report such anomalies, one of them is Janos Vajda if you have not noticed yet... Or is he "nobody" according to your criteria? I am sure there are more, just one has to dig for a long time for such reports, because they usually get suppressed.

"I was thinking exactly the same thing.  There are enough military applications of phase-array radar systems out there, surely an anomaly of this magnitude would have been noted in the literature someplace."

Janos worked exactly for the military in radar technology. That is where he stumbled upon such "annoying" anomalies, which did not let him in peace, because he was pedantic when performing measurements, and such people don't take it lightly if they are blamed for the nonexistent measurement errors. But this comment of yours is again a provocation. If you would have read the material on my site you would have known about this already. If you have known this, then why are you still using already debunked arguments? If you have not read my site, them why are you asking already clarified questions?

Yours is an argument just like this one: "There can not exist a generator with COP>1, because if it would exist, then the scientists and engineers would have surely already reported it, and everybody would know about it. Such devices would also be mass-produced by now for sure, and we could buy them in stores...". Well, if you have such a great intelligence to use this type of argument, then what are you doing on a FE research forum? To antagonize advancement? Don't take this personally, but this kind of attitude is not welcome (trying to be polite).

And finally read Message #4 from BEP on this thread:

http://overunity.com/3068/the-return-of-the-hungarian-free-energy-from-wave-fields/msg44911/#msg44911

"...I understand the ideas and have seen it proven many times in antenna work."
"Only recently have folks acknowledged more power being radiated by certain antenna arrays than the power injected. Even long-time HAMs, the inventors and developers of so much, blow this type of information off as hog-wash. All the while revolutionary antenna designers implement these practices in cellular and WiFi antenna design. Even I have a slot antenna, on my roof, that puts out fives times what I put into it. The design is not new or by me. And No, Iââ,¬â,,¢m not talking about ERP."
"'Loop antennas','Three Sisters Effect', and 'Rogue Waves' things like that and my mistakes at broadcasting my realizations made me the outcast I am today. All three are explained with this Hungarian's paper."

If you would have read this thread, you would have seen that indeed there are people who report such "anomalies", just you would not listen, even less believe them. Apparently BEP is also a "nobody" for you... Well, suit yourself! Your loss, not mine...

[ZL]

Chet,

My comment in post #44:

Making the inventor happy? Why, have you got few million dollars that you don't need? Can you get a CPT patent approved for his invention? I doubt it.

was a reply to this statement of yours in comment #43

...i will reach out for you again and perhaps we can discuss a solution for Advancing this and making the inventor happy ?

To make the inventor Janos Vajda "happy", you would have had to righteously and fairly compensate him for the value his invention represents. I am not making this up, but this was actually in progress while we were working together. A big company from Canada has signed a contract and also a nondisclosure agreement with him, which ironically they themselves have broken later. Finally Janos has cancelled the contract because the company has broken the nondisclosure agreement. This was one of the reasons why Janos was not allowed to reveal to me more than he did at that time. Even from what he told me I had to keep back some bits until further development. They were not talking about pocket money, but about millions of dollars, and if you are asking me, even that kind of money is a trifle compared to the profit such an invention could produce via mass production.

His patent application that he submitted to the local patent office in Hungary was also denied, and he sued them even up to the level of the supreme court. This law suit fight dragged for many years, and last time I heard about it, it was still in progress. As far as I know he lost the case, because they did not grant him the patent. Well, now do you think you could make him happy without granting him what he wanted and righteously deserved, a patent and sufficient money for value?

This is why I have written, that if you are serious about making him happy, then you would have to grant him at least these two things. He certainly wanted to feel happy and successful, and he also deserved all those things. If you think that an inventor of this caliber supposed to be happy with trifles, few kind word, or some kind of "well done" pat on his back, then you are not serious. I am perfectly aware now that such conventional and normal path of developing and commercializing an invention will not succeed in the near future with FE inventions. But this does not give me, or you, or anyone else the right to expect or even demand from Janos, to give everything away for free so that others get rich from his work and genius, and still feel happy about it.

But no hard feelings, nothing personal with you. I am just pointing things out that are not quite as they should be. And I don't think there is any language barrier between us. I understand you perfectly, and what I have written was no euphemism, but literal truth. You could not possibly misunderstand it. On the other hand if you think there is a language barrier between us, then it would be even worse in a live conversation, when there is no time to think about correct expressions.

Just push on your measurement if you are serious about the subject, and you will get convinced. All necessary info has been provided for you. Now the ball is in your court.

Relax and Cheers, 
LZ

[Dog-One]

Janos worked exactly for the military in radar technology. That is where he stumbled upon such "annoying" anomalies, which did not let him in peace, because he was pedantic when performing measurements, and such people don't take it lightly if they are blamed for the nonexistent measurement errors. But this comment of yours is again a provocation. If you would have read the material on my site you would have known about this already. If you have known this, then why are you still using already debunked arguments? If you have not read my site, them why are you asking already clarified questions?

Yours is an argument just like this one: "There can not exist a generator with COP>1, because if it would exist, then the scientists and engineers would have surely already reported it, and everybody would know about it. Such devices would also be mass-produced by now for sure, and we could buy them in stores...". Well, if you have such a great intelligence to use this type of argument, then what are you doing on a FE research forum? To antagonize advancement? Don't take this personally, but this kind of attitude is not welcome (trying to be polite).

And finally read Message #4 from BEP on this thread:

http://overunity.com/3068/the-return-of-the-hungarian-free-energy-from-wave-fields/msg44911/#msg44911

If you would have read this thread, you would have seen that indeed there are people who report such "anomalies", just you would not listen, even less believe them. Apparently BEP is also a "nobody" for you... Well, suit yourself! Your loss, not mine...

Duely noted Zoltan.  I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot.  Much of what you have stated I agree with; the rest I just do not have enough experience with to choose a side.

I will go back to the beginning and enlighten myself to this subject in greater depth.

From what I have read so far, it would seem this characteristic of wave field superposition must be the fundamental mechanism involved in many FE devices.  The challenge then is to apply the math to such a device, so that it can be configured properly from the very start.  I am currently working on the Dally device as described in this thread.  For those who would like to assist in this effort, it will be greatly appreciated.

[conradelektro]

Dear LZ,

let's say (just for the sake of an argument) one believes the theory of Janos Vajda and one believes his measurements.

What would be the next step?


My speculation (please contradict me, if I am wrong):

I guess one would need a lot of money and time to develop a device which can indeed harvests energy from a Wave-Field (in case it were indeed possible).


Did Janos Vajda ever build and demonstrate a device that really got "free energy from a Wave-Field"? I mean without spending more energy, really free energy, indeed OU?

It looks to me like Janos Vaida has a theory (theoretical calculations and arguments) and did measurements, but he never could conclusively demonstrate a device that harvested free energy (without putting more energy in)?

May be Janos Vaida is right, but a conclusive proof by help of a working device is outstanding? One would need money to develop such a device?

Greetings, Conrad

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From what I have read so far, it would seem this characteristic of wave field superposition must be the fundamental mechanism involved in many FE devices.  The challenge then is to apply the math to such a device, so that it can be configured properly from the very start.  I am currently working on the Dally device as described in this thread.  For those who would like to assist in this effort, it will be greatly appreciated.

And that"s exactly what Tesla magnifying Transmitter works.
Electromagnetic wave superposition in 1/4 wavelength slow wave helical resonator.  Expotentiral " resonant rise" of wave amplitude .
The same may be done with waveguide and microwaves.
Different wavelength, different physical object to play with.
In my opinion, Mr.Vajda proved that the same applies with waves in a free space.
COP>1 is always when energy is exchanged with surrounding ambient space.
Law of energy conservation applies for closed systems, not for open systems.
Even simple heat pump or refrigerator has COP>1, because it uses ambient energy.