I need help with a KEELY project

[hansvonlieven]

@nightlife,

I see it something like this

If you assume that there is an ether and that electricity is a PRESSURE WAVE within that ether you do not need electrons.

If you assume there is no ether, just particle physics, you do need electrons since something has to carry the charge.

This is where people like Keely, Helmholtz, Schauberger, Tesla and others differ from the main stream.

Hans von Lieven

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

As an addendum to my last post I would like to draw your attention to this article on Helmholtz:

http://www.geocities.com/bioelectrochemistry/helmholtz.htm

At the end of the article it says this:

Helmholtz' work was the end product of the development of classical mechanics. He pushed it as far as it could go. When Helmholtz died, the world of physics was poised on the brink of revolution. The discovery of X-rays, radioactivity, and relativity led to a new kind of physics in which Helmholtz' achievements, although impressive, had little to offer the new generation.

I have a feeling that conventional science has too readily relegated Helmholz to history. I feel there is much that he discovered which has been put aside in favour of a different approach to physics.

Perhaps it is time to re-examine his teachings. But that would require re-examination of ether theory and who in science is prepared to do this?

Hans von Lieven

[nightlife]

hansvonlieven, I am saying that a frequency is the electron and the frequency is what carries the charge. We must use something to  collect mass amounts of frequencies to have enough power to utilize for what ever we need it for.

This test should be done to see if I am right. Take a antenna and put in the middle of a compressed magnetic field. I would use a thick ring magnet that is at least about 3 inches thick with the center the north and the outer perimeter the south with a hole in the center about 2 inches. The another magnet with the polarities reversed but with the same size hole in the center. Then put the north on top and the south on the bottom compressing them together leaving about a 2 inch gap. Then take some super conducting material and make a circle 1 inch in diameter and 51/4 inches long. Put this in the center using something none metallic to keep it centered. Then make sure it is 1/8 inch above the center of the north magnet and then check to make sure the bottom is a 1/8 inch below the bottom magnets center. Then place the antenna through the center using something to keep it centered. Then check the leads coming from the antenna and I bet you will have voltage.

This design should create a vacuum effect that would only have this affect on frequencies. If not, try it by removing the south first and if that doesn't work, try it removing the north and if that doesn't work, use the concept on a attraction motor with different magnets and it will work.

Magnets strongest attraction and repel points are in the center of the polarities bur you have to leave a gap when trying to shield one side so the magnetic flux can still rotate. You also have to start the shield just before the center of the draw.

Did that make sense?

[Localjoe]

Where do you even come up with this shit man... I mean woahhh! after what hans just said you have THAT to say back ... You should run immediately to the closest public place and start yelling I'm a terrorist....I bet they would  listen to your theory's then.

[hansvonlieven]

G'day nightlife and all,

I am reposting here what I said on the subject in another thread

Hans von Lieven

Quote from: nightlife on December 21, 2007, 01:23:39 PM

My whole point of starting this thread was to show everyone that electricity can be produced by collecting natural frequencies because frequencies are part of what electricity really is. Frequencies can be collected using one and or the combination of all ferromagnetic elements for the attraction and or a north end of a magnetic field will supply the same effect and the south end of the magnetic field will repel it or in other words, push it.
Magnetic fields act like a vacuum, the north being a suction and the south being the exhaust. They will use the vacuum effect on all ferromagnetic elements as well as a frequency but it will only use the exhaust effect on frequencies.
Magnetic fields act like a turbo for the flow of frequencies, the stronger the field, the stronger the flow.

G'day nightlife,

You obviously suffer from a number of mis-conceptions about the nature of electricity, magnetism and oscillations (frequency)

These things exist independently of each other and only are associated with each other under certain conditions.

For instance, a sonic pressure wave at ANY frequency has no electrical or magnetic phenomena accompanying it. You can level a sound wave at, for instance, a piece of glass and shatter it, without causing any electrical or magnetic phenomena to occur. There were no electrical discharges or magnetic disturbances when the Tacoma Bridge collapsed.

There is no electricity whatsoever associated with a permanent magnet. No discernible electric field has ever been discovered around a permanent magnet.

There is no magnetic field associated with static electricity. You can charge up an electrophorus with static electricity and attract a dielectric, like bits of paper, with it and have no deflection of a magnetic compass needle. Try it for yourself, take a bit of plastic, like a comb, rub it with wool and pick up tiny pieces of paper with it next to a compass. It will pick up the paper but it will not show a magnetic field.

There are no discernible oscillations in direct current ( DC )

There is no such thing as suction, there is only differential in pressure. It is the pressure that fills a vacuum, not the vacuum attracting something.

All the phenomena you are talking about come about as the result of an interaction between these forces.

For electricity to generate a magnetic field it has to flow! For a magnet to generate electricity it has to move against something!

The forces themselves exist independently of each other.

Hans von Lieven