Another Design For Your Consideration

[debra62140]

Hi everyone, I do find this subject fascinating, and I am trying to understand all the various designs and the principals behind them, but most seem quite complicated.

To help me understand the basics can someone please tell me where the wheel in the attached diagram would reach equilibrium? Apologies for the poor quality of the drawing.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

Debbie

[fletcher]

Hi Debbie .. if you are not alreday familiar with the 'Museum of Unworkable Devices' I suggest that you spend some time there [it's very iinteresting] - there are many designs similar yours, that fail to work as anticipated, with thorough explanations as to why this happens - in essence, as your've drawn it, the wheel is over-balanced & will have a tendency to turn CCW, but not a full segment however - it will start out with positive torque then pass thru the neutral [zero] torque position then into negative torque which wants the wheel to then turn CW - eventually [depending on how much friction loss there is] the wheel settles at the 'keel' position [position of zero torque or position of least potential] - the static ramp/guide provides a 'back torque' to the wheel & like water finding its lowest level the wheel will oscillate until its finds its position of least resistance - it keels - while ramps & guides initially look good they force a sliding or pivoted weight to follow a predetermined path, often this involves lifting the weight to move it to a closer orbit - when the ramp does this the weight cannot apply its full weight as torque to the wheel [& applies it to the ramp instead] which is counterproductive to what you actually want to achieve - there are no free lunches where gravity is concerned !


http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

[Pirate88179]

@fletcher:

I am no scientist but I have worked with many "gravity" wheels over the years and that was an excellent explanation of this design, and its shortfalls.  I would encourage anyone who thinks they have a workable design to follow through and try it, regardless of what others say about it on here, but, like my Dad always says, don't try to reinvent the wheel.  Meaning, that if others have tried a similar design, and it did not work, your efforts can be spent attempting another approach.  Most say that gravity wheels will never work, and they are right, so far.  They may always be right.  I still think that it will take a combination of several technologies, gravity, magnetism, etc., to make a design finally work.  And, this may not be possible either, but, we won't know that unless we try everything.  Best of luck to all.

Bill

[AB Hammer]

Well said fletcher

I could not have said it better, you put in words that I would have to have a model to express.


Pirate88179

Well I hope to prove them wrong, since I promiced to make this basic idea work, I am kinda on a fire.

[supersam]

has anyone considered the "ramp" as a "smot ramp",  would this not take away some of the friction problem?  even if it's replaced with lenz law complications, it might be worth some consideration.  at least you might be able to generate enough energy to the thing to keep it going?

lol
sam