Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[hansvonlieven]

Why don't you guys use an optocoupler instead of the LED, measurement should then be easy.

Hans von Lieven

[hartiberlin]

After the Avramenkp plug there is pure DC at the LEDs and the cap, so it is easy to measure there the DC power in the LEDs. No optocoupler circuit needed, you can measure pure DC electrical power.

[DrStiffler]

After the Avramenkp plug there is pure DC at the LEDs and the cap, so it is easy to measure there the DC power in the LEDs. No optocoupler circuit needed, you can measure pure DC electrical power.

I do indeed dispute that you have true DC. If another of the group that has worked with me wants to add to this, great, but, you can not on a properly running SEC circuit just throw a big electrolytic across the AV Plug and get DC.

Even with very elaborate low pass filters consisting of canceling inductors, followed by a 10uf + 0.1uf + 0.01uf followed by two 8mm ferrite beads, you can still hold a neon on the end with one lead in your fingers and get it to light. A true SEC circuit is at such high impedance that the mere addition of a couple inches of wire is enough to change the frequency.

It does indeed take time and care to make these measurement. The method of using a Light Meter or Cds cell and DVM will give good accurate results. With a working SEC you will get far more light (on meter) than you will get from equivalent DC drive to the same LED.

Stick two LEDS in a black tube, one is from a string of LEDS from a SEC and the other driven from a DC source.  With the ref Off, measure the light output of the single LED. Apply DC to the ref LED until you read twice the output (if using a Cds you need to adjust for its response curve). Or measure a single LED in a SEC and then remove it and drive it with DC for the same light output. Simple math will show where you are.

If you keep working with different configurations, you are just wasting your time. Nothing will work below 3.5mHZ, best depending on how well you wound and centered the primary, will be 10.8-12mHz.

It works guys. Yes RF is different from audio and it does indeed take care, but hey, its been done, follow instructions, don't improvise and invent.

[hansvonlieven]

Exactly what I thought, hence the optocoupler.

Hans von Lieven

[hartiberlin]

I do indeed dispute that you have true DC. ......you can still hold a neon on the end with one lead in your fingers and get it to light.

Well, if I measure directly with my now ungrounded scope at the 22 uF cap across the AP and the 10 Diodes,
there is pure DC on the cap.

But the whole AP circuit is surely still oscillating with about 200 Volts p-p versus the circuit ground.

Soif you hold a neon bulb in your hands I still also get it to light up
a bit when I touch the plus or minus pole of the 22 uF cap, cause my  body
is at ground potential..
But the cap itself just has pure DC and thus the 10 LEDs just are powered
by pure DC Voltage.
No mystery here.