Being Decent To Each Other

[Omnibus]

Now, look who's giving opinions--the biggest offender. As for the magnet motors, these are the most promising. Remember, in this area (SMOT being part of it) it has been conclusively proven for the first time that CoE can be violated. No other area has so well expressed, rigorous scientific evidence to that effect. No wonder why the tensions are higher here. In addition, here's the first promising application of SMOT for continuous production of energy from nothing--@xpenzif's motor. Exciting times.

Lisa, in this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

See, the thing is, you don't even know exactly what you're talking about. You've heard this and are repeating it without deeper knowledge of it. You should know that laws of thermodynamics aren't disobeyed in most cases even with this discovery. What we are talking now is about one very special case which, of course, is enough to overthrow the general validity of CoE. However, technical thermodynamics or chemical thermodynamics remain as we know them. Those who have taken courses in these disciplines, take chemical thermodynamics, for instance, know that in the very introduction a statement is made that all observations will be in absence of magnetic fields. Of course, in the future the exception may become the rule because efforts will be redirected into exploring what now is the exception. For obvious reasons. As of today and foreseeable future, however, not to worry, chemical thermodynamics will still govern basic education in, say, chemistry.

First of all, lighten up.  That was a Simpsons reference.  It does not demand a fully thought-out rebuttal.

Next, the First Law of Thermodynamics states, "The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings."  See, no room for energy out of nothing.

That's because, as I said, regrettably, your knowledge in these matters is only marginal. This can be improved, I'm not saying it can't but as of today it's in a sorry state. Now, regarding the definition you gave. That's an expression of the 'transformation' part of the principle of CoE. This part I've never said has been violated and, as a matter of fact, I'm using exactly this part in my analysis. In the US the 'principle of conservation and transformation of energy' is uttered, to simplify life, as 'principle of conservation of energy' but, as I said, it really has two sides. In sciences nowadays said principle is mostly applied having in mind its 'transformation' aspect. And it holds good, as I already said. This is in fact what you have cited and no one has any quarrel with it. It's interesting to take a look at Lomonosov's works who very well may be the true discoverer of that principle. You'll see there that still in those days the principle was presented and recognized with its two sides.

[nightlife]

 Respect, what exactly is that? Respect is an assumption of good faith and competence in another person or in the whole of oneself. Depth of integrity, trust, complementary moral values, and skill are necessary components.

Please keep this in mind the next time you disagree with someone. Try to just agree to disagree and or help them out if know of a better way.

I have noticed that magnetic motors are the hardest and in most cases, the most impossible motors to get people to believe that they can and or do work.
I have personally came across a few that can work if they just changed and or added a couple things. You all would not believe how close a couple of these members are to achieving over unity using just permanent magnets.

I have figured out a way to achieve over unity using electronic magnets and now thanks to a few others here, I now can do it using permanent magnets. Please don?t make fun of people or call them names because you don't agree with them, you would be surprised by what others can learn from others mistakes and if you chase people away by being disrespectful to them, then we will have less people making mistakes that some others can figure out and perfect them to actually work.

Remember this as well as the fact that disrespect is what is hurting mankind more then anything else.

[Omnibus]

In the end ideas and concepts will stand or fall on their own merit. Lets address them directly not by attacking personally that individual that proposes them. What do we accomplish by insults and namecalling and implying that a person is incompentent or without merit.
We are all ignorant of different things.
Change is hard!

This is very idealistic and the world would've been a much better place if indeed ideas and concepts will stand or fall on their own merit. This is never so. There has always been a fierce battle between ideas in Science and, unfortunately, many of the ridiculously wrong ideas such as the "theory" of relativity have taken over because those forces supporting it were waging a more efficient, ugly, better financed, meaner battle to install that "theory" while the forces who saw its flaws have been meek and naive as you are, waiting for this stupidity to collapse on its own. It will never happen without fighting it. The "theory" of relativity is an example of one of the most incorrect ideas Science has accepted in its realm of doctrines and still there are quarters in which it persists, let alone that taxpayers are paying millions upon millions for stupid experiments to verify it, something that will never happen. There have been other errors in the Sciences, many of them rightfully rejected, others still persisting in one form or another. For instance, it has already become obvious that another deeply ingrained idea, that of CoE as a general principle, also doesn't stand the scrutiny of the scientific method. Enemies of the scientific method are plenty. Opportunists seeing that it pays more to be conservative and be blind to the facts are abundant. Among these, little minds who don't even know what they're talking about but pretending to discuss science are also standing in the way. It's a mess. And the scales are overwhelmingly inclined towards the status quo. It's safer there. Therefore, someone must take measures and try to fight for reason to be reinstated in these matters. That's inevitable.

[Omnibus]

Respect, what exactly is that? Respect is an assumption of good faith and competence in another person or in the whole of oneself. Depth of integrity, trust, complementary moral values, and skill are necessary components.

Please keep this in mind the next time you disagree with someone. Try to just agree to disagree and or help them out if know of a better way.

I have noticed that magnetic motors are the hardest and in most cases, the most impossible motors to get people to believe that they can and or do work.
I have personally came across a few that can work if they just changed and or added a couple things. You all would not believe how close a couple of these members are to achieving over unity using just permanent magnets.

I have figured out a way to achieve over unity using electronic magnets and now thanks to a few others here, I now can do it using permanent magnets. Please don?t make fun of people or call them names because you don't agree with them, you would be surprised by what others can learn from others mistakes and if you chase people away by being disrespectful to them, then we will have less people making mistakes that some others can figure out and perfect them to actually work.

Remember this as well as the fact that disrespect is what is hurting mankind more then anything else.

Are you going to surprise us as @xpenzif did? Go ahead, post a video. As for respect, ignorance, especially arrogant ignorance must never be respected.

[bastonia]

@billmehess,

Thank you bringing these issues to light. 

In addition my personal feelings of watching these "like minded" battle it out,  is that they choose to discourage vs encourage.  This line of banter has "encouraged" me hold my thoughts, ideas, and concepts to myself, and I will probably continue this line of thought until this board becomes civilized.

As for the comment that things fall apart only at the magnet motor issues ... which is not the case, ...

Take a lesson from "everyone's grandmother" and "If you don't have something nice to say don't say it!"