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fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :

Started by titof, December 17, 2007, 03:20:27 PM

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Honk

Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.

BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vice versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage it will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.

So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.

I know this by fact because I use the BEMF principle in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power

titof

Oh
I must go in deep of my think.
Why MEG :  like some  device with coils ...
Exciting a magnet trought a coil  makes me thinking an elastic material which be pulled in the aether
and when you release it ... it gives like a shaking hit in the coils ... and a big amount of energy ...
( this image was tesla's on memory)    "the eather is elastic..."
that's wright MEG isn't really a cousin ... ;D

Honk

The MEG is using a magnet as power source. It's not relying the BEMF to provide OU.
And so far there is no proof of the MEG really working.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power

Mem

Quote from: Honk on December 18, 2007, 11:08:18 AM
Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.



Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!!  Above statement is not accurate!

Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.

Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.

Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return

Mem.


BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vise versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage at will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.

So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.

I know this by fact because I use the the BEMF in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.

Honk

Quote from: Mem on December 18, 2007, 12:57:55 PM
Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!!  Above statement is not accurate!

Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.

Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.

Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return

Mem.


Well, in all cases so far known to man, when there have been reported more out then in by an AC transformer setup, then
its either faked or the measurements are just flawed due to bad knowledge and inferior instruments.
One of the most fundamental errors made is when people don't know about the reading errors of bad instruments when
the AC voltage and AC current is out of phaze. And this happens almost always when anything else than resistive loads is used.
But if this 98 lbs transformer experiment is as good as the guy says. then why not test the claimed overunity by closing the
circuitry into a self runner. If it runs then Statement Proven. If not then his setup is not working.

By the way, I don't need to read textbooks. I know by my daily work that Back EMF is not the key to overunity.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power