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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Yadaraf

RE: Not harmonics but possibly SUB-harmonics?

A new hypothesis:  the HI tone is fundamental and the LO tone is a subharmonic.

This makes some sense, and in fact the HI tone is often higher in amplitude than the LO tone.

(NOTE:  I seem to be talking to myself on this matter.   ;D  Anyone's comment is welcome.)

CSI Yadaraf on the scene.


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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Yadaraf

Quote from: CLaNZeR on February 09, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
Some new Videos, these new Stator bearings are great!

First big one for Yada, some sound samples.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeR-OCPM-YADA.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D9v9ISMlj1g


Next one shows how easy it is to latch into AGW, including all 3 stators going AGW at over 1500RPM.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeRSNewBearingsLatch.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3aboJWhY0

New Rotor Dimensions, ummm why did I bother LOL.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeRSNew18mmRotor.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9XG9MaLXVVg

Cheers

Sean.



CLaNZeR,

Copy that.  I'm headed out for a few hours, but will most certainly get to it this evening.  It sounds great!   Sampling should be a breeze.  Thanks.   ;D

... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."


Cheers,  :)

Yada..
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CLaNZeR

Quote from: Yadaraf on February 09, 2008, 03:30:08 PM
... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."

I have seen this before from people selling Motor Protectors and they mention faile safe against the 5th harmonic as a feature.

Quick search on google brings up loads and even part of some FAQ's

http://www.myronzucker.com/faq.html#q10

Cheers

Sean.
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Yadaraf

Quote from: CLaNZeR on February 09, 2008, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Yadaraf on February 09, 2008, 03:30:08 PM
... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."

I have seen this before from people selling Motor Protectors and they mention faile safe against the 5th harmonic as a feature.

Quick search on google brings up loads and even part of some FAQ's

http://www.myronzucker.com/faq.html#q10

Cheers

Sean.


CLaNZeR,

Thanks.  The fact that you've heard the saying is encouraging to me.  If you would, please keep an open mind about the effect of a fifth harmonic on the WhipMag.  From what I gather, it produces "run-away" and overspeeding, but might be needed for these devices.  Al's device appears to demonstrate something like it.


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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Grimer

Quote from: Yadaraf on February 09, 2008, 03:14:46 PM

...
(NOTE:  I seem to be talking to myself on this matter.   ;D  Anyone's comment is welcome.)

CSI Yadaraf on the scene.

Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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Well done Yadaraf.  CSI indeed.  8)

Following one of your references I found the following excerpt:

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http://www.memagazine.org/mepower01/5thharm/5thharm.html

For the fifth harmonic of the incoming current, 300 electrical degrees separate the pole/phase groups, Bourne said. That's five times the separation of the fundamental phases. But 300 degrees is really minus 60 degrees for a periodic function, Bourne explained.

So adjacent phases of the fundamental and the harmonic frequencies are exactly opposite. For a three-phase machine, that means that the fifth harmonic creates a field of the same number of poles as the fundamental, but with a negative phase sequence, Bourne said. And that field rotates counter to the fundamental, at five times the speed.

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In January on Fizzx.com I wrote:

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I believe that AGW stator rotation is the point where power being consumed becomes power being gained.

If my belief is correct it follows that anyone who achieves AGW has in fact managed to draw power from the magnetic potential, the magnetic pressure of the environment.

Of course merely achieving AGW will not guarantee the kind of continuous running that Alan has shown us.

To achieve continuous running the power input has to be greater than the power output, obviously; has to be greater in other words that the losses due to windage (air resistance), friction in the bearings, eddy currents and any other losses I haven't thought of.

If the onset of AGW does mark the point at which power is being obtained from the environment then there should be a change in the slowdown of the central rotor.

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This move to the fifth harmonic seems to be the key to reversing the travel around the BH loop from the refrigeration cycle already well understood to the power cycle which Steorn have been attempting to harness.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/AlsetalokinPowerBHloop.jpg
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