Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Omnibus]

@Harvey,

Your commentaries are quite interesting, as long as they are backed up by evidence:

The sum total of field densities for any three magnets in interaction should not change. However a differential between the approaching fields and the retreating fields is highly possible. This would indicate a higher 'relative density' in the approach zone and a lower 'relative density' in the retreat zone. And this differential is where I believe we are receiving our gains. It would be a form of doppler compression of a gradient field.

Is this ?differential between the approaching fields and the retreating fields? just a conjecture you?re making or you have some further evidence for it other than the analogy with doppler compression of a gradient field?

In this connection I also saw this:

The discussion really amounts to flux dispersion. Since force is proportional to density, higher density has greater force. When magnets are in an attractive state space between them is altered and flux follows the preferred path filling the cantenoid region which raises the density between them. Conversely when magnets are in a repulsive state the space is altered such that the flux is spread out thus less dense. However, as the distance between the repelling magnets shorten, the flux between them compresses filling the catenoid region and thus increasing the density and force.

Consequently for most tests the attraction will be greater for a given distance but at the surface (provided you can determine accurately the point of contact in repulsive mode) you will find the forces to be equal yet opposite.

And this

Anyone see my torque comment on Fizzx? This is another interesting thing. The decent to negative torque is a gradual one but the ascent to postive torque is extremly sharp and near vertical. It is conceivable that in Al's device the expected negative torque is never reached - sorta like a capacitor discharging (curves are very similar) it never fully does. In this scenario we find a gain. Just thinking outloud again.

Again, this has to be explained more thoroughly. The implied lack of symmetry between the attractive and repulsive forces isn?t obvious to me. If that were the case it seems that all of us should have observed an effect similar to that shown by @alsetalokin?s because the configurations are almost exactly as his. We don?t, however. One possible cause may be that we?re still unable to achieve conditions whereby that excess energy is sufficient to overcome the tremendous energy losses created in or particular devices. However, it isn?t obvious to me that our losses are greater than those in @alsetalokin?s device?same screeching sounds there, same wobbling etc.

[Omnibus]

@Harvey,

This also needs more explanation: http://fizzx.com/viewtopic.php?p=2466#2466 .This isn't measured torque, right? How did you calculate it?

EDIT: Also, this: http://urad.net/forums/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=4 . The magnet equatorials obtained using Magnetic Film are quite an illustration. Couldn't you obtain that for a real disposition of stator vs. rotor magnets? As for the Lissajou traces, how did you take them exactly. Maybe that's the measurement @alsetalokin should do and we should try to reproduce it. If you recall, I was suggesting simply measuring the kgauss at a given distance from rotor (respectively from stators) at, say, 1 degree increment and compare it to a similar measurement with @alsetalokin's device.

[Grimer]

@Grimer,

You posted somewhere the following:

" I believe that AGW stator rotation is the point where power being consumed becomes power being gained. "

That isn't obvious, however. Could you please elaborate on that?

I have done in Reply 2365 on the previous page (page 158) of this "Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??" thread.

Since writing that post I have also realised where the large acceleration in Alsetalokin's 1st video comes from. The AGW stator is driving the rotor magnets in the power direction around the minor BH loop.

The other two GW magnets are holding the AGW magnet back. They are driving the rotor magnets in the "refrigeration" direction around the minor BH loop. They are acting as a brake. They are providing negative strain energy. When they are stopped this brake is released and the energy piles in to the rotor which speeds up to the point where the AGW power balanced friction and windage losses,

[Omnibus]

@Grimer,

You posted somewhere the following:

" I believe that AGW stator rotation is the point where power being consumed becomes power being gained. "

That isn't obvious, however. Could you please elaborate on that?

I have done in Reply 2365 on the previous page (page 158) of this "Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??" thread.

Since writing that post I have also realised where the large acceleration in Alsetalokin's 1st video comes from. The AGW stator is driving the rotor magnets in the power direction around the minor BH loop.

The other two GW magnets are holding the AGW magnet back. They are driving the rotor magnets in the "refrigeration" direction around the minor BH loop. They are acting as a brake. They are providing negative strain energy. When they are stopped this brake is released and the energy piles in to the rotor which speeds up to the point where the AGW power balanced friction and windage losses,

@Grimer,

First off, I hope we?ll stay with the regular field terminology and will avoid the reciprocal ?gamma atmosphere? view because not only that it?s not widely accepted but doesn?t seem to contribute anything new and only appears to confuse the issue. Correct me if I?m wrong.

Now, having said that, I treat the H-B hystheresis loop in the usual sense. Thus, as far as I can see you?re arbitrarily pronouncing one of the fields (say, that of the rotor) as the H-field, that is, the field causing the magnetization of the other part (respectively, the stator) and you are studying the created B-field in the other part (the stator) as a function of that H-field.

So, this H-B hystheresis loop is a different  loop from the one each magnet in the rig is characterized by?that is, a loop enclosing an area whose magnitude gives the energy that has been spent to create the permanent magnet with the given induction. That area is untouchable, however. The excess energy we?re talking about which this rig allegedly creates cannot come at the expense of decreasing that area. That should be taken as an axiom and the energy to create the permanent magnets should never be invoked as an explanation of the excess energy we?re seeking.

As far as I can see, you?re calling your H-B dependence for some reason an adiabatic loop while it seems to me it should be called, if at all, either isothermic or isobaric, depending on what you intend to study. I don?t see in this case where the boundary between the system and the environment is which would prevent exchange of heat with the environment, to make the system adiabatic.

So now, up to here we?re into the terminology phase. We have to understand clearly what we really mean under the different terms we use.

Now, stemming from the above I don?t understand at all the ?power direction? and the ?refrigeration direction? mentioned by you. Notwithstanding the fact that even if such a view were correct there should be a full symmetry between the outcomes from these two purported directions. Thus, I don?t see at all how this picture would explain the central issue here?the production of excess energy.

[Yadaraf]

RE:  Lego Version of the WhipMag -- No Kidding

I spent two hours today developing an educational version of the WhipMag using nothing but Lego bricks and Lego magnets.  It spins and makes "magnet noise" just like the other WhipMags I've listened to.  And yes, it is addictive to play with.

It's 100% functional and costs less than $50 to build for those of you who would like to investigate some of the principles of this intriguing device -- or spend time with your kids while everyone learns.

CLaNZeR eat you heart out.   

...  Adjustable rotor magnets.   

...  Adjustable stator magnets.   

...  Flexible and extendable design.   

...  Very colorful, educational, and backed by Lego.   


See it on YouTube!

... Lego WhipMag Video:   http://youtube.com/watch?v=r4-nFd6t9xw


Here are some pics of the new Lego "rig."

Cheers, 

Yada..
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