Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[Heinstein]

Dear aether22

No I?m not lazy but my wife says that I AM COMMITTED or at the very least should be committed.

The miracle(s) you speak of are also demonstrated in the Toroid Generator application Part 4 where the effects associated with Lenz?s Law (motor action in a generator) are completely eliminated by diverting the induced coil MMF out of the air gap.

The transformer requires a delicate balance of ?ingredients? to achieve good results but the Magnetically Coupled Generator can be done in a weekend quite easily.

Thane

[aether22]

Assuming that Thanes transformer works here is how I would go about increasing output. (and assuming it works like I think it does which if it works at all I have little doubt I'm right)

This is just a list I was making for my own pondering until I realized something important!

Add a cap and make the primary a resonant tank circuit. (Based on the fact that the circulating energy is not the same as the energy used,)

Saturate the primary (a highly permeable material will increase the magnetic field produced which will increase the output which is good but air gaps/laminations and saturation is required to keep the path unattractive)

Make the primary of a low hysteresis material and reduce eddy currents.

Make the toroid of as high a permability material as practical to keep the flux in.

Add as many turns as can be fit, cool the wire and pull as much current as possible. (actually it's not about the number of turns really as that increases voltage but you can simply choose to pull more amps if you use a thicker wire, it's about the amount of wire employed)

Ok, here is the big one, this will increase the output energy big time, ready for it?

Raise the input frequency!

You see frequency increases induction, that's why high frequency transformers can have such poor coupling (or at least it would be poor at a lower freq), the greater the rate of change the stronger the electric field/force the wire sees from the changing flux.

You can't normally use this to create energy though because while the primary is of a higher frequency and inducing more strongly the secondaries flux is changing just as fast.

BUT IN THANES TRANSFORMER THE SECONDARIES FLUX INFLUENCES CANCEL OUT, THE SELF INDUCTION THAT NORMALLY LIMITS INDUCED CURRENT IS NO LONGER PRESENT SO BY RAISING THE FREQUENCY YOU RAISE THE OUTPUT VOLTAGE AND CURRENT!!!!!

So they should be run at as high a frequency as allowed by the core material!  Once verified (Steve, get one of those transformers back to Thane for tests ASAP!!!) we should be trying to make high frequency toroid transformers! In the khz!! (though the current core won't stand anything near that high)

Wow, please take this seriously I don't think I'm wrong here!

Just to clarify, this can make for an easy 10-100 or even 1,000 fold increase of output power (or decrease of input power).

[Heinstein]

BINGO!
Like increasing the rotor speed on your generator to increase output.
Wow!

aether22 may be a GENIUS!
It's hard to argue with - now let's see if it holds up in the lab.

Luc and Steve where art thou???

Thane

[RunningBare]

BINGO!
Like increasing the rotor speed on your generator to increase output.
Wow!

aether22 may be a GENIUS!
It's hard to argue with - now let's see if it holds up in the lab.

Luc and Steve where art thou???

Thane

Hi Thane, welcome to the forum, your openness is great, not something we often see.

RE: increasing frequency, it is true that this will increase voltage in a coil but not current, as frequency is increased coil reactance also increases, higher resistance to current flow, this will be true for primary and secondary coils

[aether22]

BINGO!
Like increasing the rotor speed on your generator to increase output.
Wow!

aether22 may be a GENIUS!
It's hard to argue with - now let's see if it holds up in the lab.

Luc and Steve where art thou???

Thane

Hi Thane, welcome to the forum, your openness is great, not something we often see.

RE: increasing frequency, it is true that this will increase voltage in a coil but not current, as frequency is increased coil reactance also increases, higher resistance to current flow, this will be true for primary and secondary coils

Not so RunningBare, sure less current will flow through the primary (not a bad thing) but the thing about these secondaries is that they don't act on themselves as in a normal transformer.