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A truly overunity Transformer / Meg

Started by LoganBaker, March 17, 2008, 06:32:56 PM

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Nali2001

Hi Winsonali,
Sorry I do not have formulation to properly design a transformer.

You wrote:
"when we do switching with square wave through DC the most successful way is to reduce the duty cycle so area under the curve should be equal and in this way the flux in core will go back to its neutral value naturally and in this way you will not waste power in returning the status"

This is going to be very hard to explain through written words but I will take my time and describe a few things. Getting a core to go back to neutral polarity in a loaded situation is by fas not as easy as one thinks. I have done some tests years back on Dc transformers. It sounds simple, putting a Dc square wave into a transformer and pick up good power at 50hz. I tell you take your regular transformer approach like http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Circuit001.jpg and I can assure you it does perform horribly.

Why you ask? Well it is because the core can not relax back to a zero magnetic polarity in between the dc pulses. I have told and shown in the Core tests video's that only certain type of cores resets them selfs back to a zero polarity state even when they are close looped. So even if you have the good core type you will not be able to made a good dc transformer out of it with the above circuit. And it is because the core is not allowed to "rest" or reset itself due to 2 components. One being the inductive collapse (or back emf as some wrongfully call it) protection diode on the input coil. And the second is the output coil itself.

You have seen in the Core test video's that closing the secondary coil makes the cores magnetically clamp together for a while. The magnetism in the core wants to dissipate and it is being resisted by the closed output coil. Meaning that any RESISTANCE attached to either the input or output coil will hinder the speed at which the core wants to reset itself to a neutral magnetic state. And the protection diode on the input coil acts as a blockade for the field reset or depletion of the inductive collapse.
So you say, well just remove the diode like: http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Circuit002.jpg and it will work right? Well two things, yes the primary coil is now indeed open and will not restrict the resetting of the core. But the absence of the diode puts the fet at risk from possibly harmful inductive spikes. But if these spikes are not too extreme the fet should survive.

But even with this diode removed the systems will still not work well. And this is because there still is one factor present hindering the core reset after each dc input. And that is the output coil and load itself. A load (a bulb for example) on a output coil is in essence just a resistive short on the output side. And in the core test video you say what happens when a coil is left closed. It will hold the cores together. The field can not escape fast enough and so it can not reset or go back to neutral. Meaning the core will always hold a high degree of residual magnetism. And is because of that in a dc mode not able to produce a big field change. In ac the field change is force since the input is alternating in polarity and will force a flip flopping field change.

Here is what will happen if you don't do it right:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ClampCore.wmv
In the video I input a dc square wave in a proper core. In the first test you see the core without an inductive spike protection diode. The core behaves "pure" meaning that it "attracts and lets go". In the second half of the video you see what happens when you do put the protection diode in place, and capture some of that flyback / inductive collapse. You see that the core behavior has totally changed and the two core parts are like welded together... Very strong remnant attractive force is present in the core. This remnant field is the result of the blocking factor of the flyback protection diode. The coil is never "open" and hinders the core reset.

The solution to the dc transformer situation is this:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Circuit003.jpg

If you know what is happening in the core and all the component you can do good things in dc. But there are some rules to follow. Hope you people found this all of any use.

Here is the dc transformer:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/DCtransformer.wmv

The electrical world is not all that well understood. It is like fire, we all know how to make it and work with it as a known component, but only few know what makes it tick.
Same with transformers. I mean... again, how can the secondary of a transformer interact with the field IN the core...? It does not come in contact with the coil at all and still it generates a good output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsrbaCJo3Qw&NR=1
Eric Dollard (the bearded guy) is in my opinion the best skilled electrical engineer I ever came across. A true old style Tesla expert. Too bad he is so low key.
See all 6 video's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc

And these two:
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&ei=KgAkS-bSAouW-AbP7vXuDw&q=Longitudinal+tesla#

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&ei=KgAkS-bSAouW-AbP7vXuDw&q=Longitudinal+tesla#



Nali2001

Hi winsonali,
Ah I see,
Well there are two things to see in the video.
In the first part you see a core pulsed with an about 50% duty square wave. You can infant see the Inductive kickback / flyback or backEmf as you call it. These are the sharp deep negative spikes.

In the second part you see the tuned cap bank being connected. What you see is the Flyback bing swung into the cap and back into the coil again. Sort of like a tank circuit.

Although this resembles the inkomp trace it is very likely not how he does it. Pretty likely he is using a variable thyristor (SCR) to controlled the input. The inventor is more clever then one might think. I have seen him do core and magnetic related things and apply concepts that most don't know of.

I am not actively making a meg myself. All my work is just home experimentation. I have no education in electronics at all, just doing some experiments and reading the web.



gyulasun

Quote from: Nali2001 on December 12, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
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The solution to the dc transformer situation is this:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Circuit003.jpg

If you know what is happening in the core and all the component you can do good things in dc. But there are some rules to follow. Hope you people found this all of any use.

Here is the dc transformer:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/DCtransformer.wmv


Hi Steven,

Excellent post, thank you very much for sharing your "DC transformer" circuit, very clever solution.

Keep up your good work!

rgds, Gyula

winsonali

nali2001
QuoteI am not actively making a meg myself. All my work is just home experimentation. I have no education in electronics at all, just doing some experiments and reading the we

if you have no education in electronics and you can do all this then think what you could do if you were educated in the same feild what i believe that you are very intelligent and logical so you have the capability to imagine and understand things very well you are not a dump like me.

Now coming to the technical part of the post the essence of the post is
1) DC cannot demagnetize core very easily.
2) DC when come across with closed loops it retain the field for more time then in open loop.
3) either of loops input or output both make same effect on core.

i am very happy with your answers as it is very helpful for other people reading these posts.

when i jump in this post i put forward the same thing that until and unless the power generation unit is reversing itself you cannot produce electricity.

in making my genie working i have not used any coils or transformers.

the sine wave we are using is not by choice, is by early designs there is no harmful effect on electrical devices operating under square wave reversing alternative current, if they are operating through DC i mean almost 90% device use DC conversion to operate computers televisions etc etc. even DC motors.

now if you see the picture i am putting you will under stand  what is effective area under curve.
i have developed inverter based on this switching techniques and i have 2 hours extra backup in my system at 1000 VA.

i have gone through with various patents involving PM in transformers and try to understand why and where they have conceptual differences.
flynn charles MEG will not work as  a generator but works as a parallel path magnet field.

i will be posting my next video early next week video for the self running unit.





 

winsonali

this is the simple circuit to charge your same battery/ capacitor with back emf pulses