My Bessler Quest

[Alexioco]

I have now tried looking at this and came up with this, see what you think...

1.
Bessler
Shows two hammer men toys with two men each. Each man swings a weight.

Hints:

Alternate: Indeed, a work of art must drive itself from many separate pieces of lead; That are now always two and two; If a thing takes outwardly the place, thus the other drives to the axle/shaft; this is soon here, and that is soon there; And also changes on and on.

these weights ... are the essential parts ... and when they come to be placed together and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium ... one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis ...

2.
Bessler
Shows two hammer men toys with one swung to the right and one swung to the left.

Hints:

Weights acted in pairs

Alternate: Indeed, a work of art must drive itself from many separate pieces of lead; That are now always two and two; If a thing takes outwardly the place, thus the other drives to the axle/shaft; this is soon here, and that is soon there; And also changes on and on.

3.
Bessler

Shows what looks like a link chain on the far right side. (Idea: Weights were connected)
Shows what looks like a Jacob's Ladder toy on the right side. (Idea: Weights move in the same fasion)
Shows a scissor-jack on the left side. (Idea: Weights moved upwards)

Hints:

If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys and weights, the machine can revolve much faster

4.
Bessler

Shows fat men swinging large short hammers against an anvil and skinny men swinging lighter long handled axes chopping wood.

Hints:

On one side it is heavy and full; on the other empty and light, just as it should be.

5.
Bessler

Shows the skinny men with twisted clothing

Hints:

Springs were employed, but not as detractors suggested.

6.
Bessler

Shows a toy top that will flip over, end for end when spun.

Hints:

Alternate: Indeed, a work of art must drive itself from many separate pieces of lead; That are now always two and two; If a thing takes outwardly the place, thus the other drives to the axle/shaft; this is soon here, and that is soon there; And also changes on and on.

[fletcher]

IMO = In My Opinion ... JMO = Just My Opinion ...  IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

Yes, the toy page is just as depicted, all lumped together as you see it with the spinning top hand drawn, possibly at a later date & perhaps as an after thought ?

The toys sure do show mechanical actions at one level & I see you are attampting to interpret them in 'other ways' - everybody will have a different opinion about what each might mean in another context - personally I think they mostly are just mechanical actions but that the top was obviously added for a reason.

[Alexioco]

Ah, thank you

So what do you think about my interpretation of the toy?

Also, I would very much like to know your interpretation on this toy...

I agree, they could be mechanical, but how do you interprete that into a wheel?

[fletcher]

I think if you go back & re-read your own post previous about the hints you have identified you will see that you & he are describing an overbalance wheel where weights work in pairs - one is farther from the axle than its opposite & this gives the wheel torque - he hints at many different types of overbalancing arrangements & calls them principles at various times - it would appear that once the prime mover is found & applied that just about any of his overbalance wheel principles in MT could be employed to do the job [see his comments about the completely different system of MT48] - ordinarily an OOB wheel that starts that way ends up in balance where the CoG is below the axle on the vertical line - Bessler's accomplishment IMO was that he found a prime moving force to shift or lift weights at the appropriate time & then later restored them to closer to the axle on the ascending side, possibly using springs at that point, which meant that the wheel had asymmetric torque which allowed it to self sustain its rotation - if that were the case then the toy page mostly represents different ways & actions for changing a wheels CoG or CoM [pushing & pulling] - as an example of something slightly different the Jacobs ladder looks to me like MT9 if the circle is closed - the top would appear to be an important part of completing the puzzle otherwise why its late inclusion, especially if you have ruled out gravity itself as the prime mover - many of the gravity fundamentalists haven't yet ruled it out however - I'm sure your've read all this on Besslerwheel.com though.

[Alexioco]

Very interesting indeed, I haven?t read about MT 48, is there any link I can possibly read about the MT's, the ones he wrote about maybe?

Thanks

Also, would this wheel work?