Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[Pirate88179]

Jeanna:

First, let me say that I don't really know.  My guess would be that the telluric/magnetic currents run beneath the surface at a given level so if you put a probe on a hilltop and another in a valley, that would not be the same as compensating for the dip angle in my opinion.  It is not about elevation (again, in my opinion) but the relationship between the electrode bottoms and the currents under the surface.  I don't think the distance above the surface would count.

But, once again, only one way to really know...right?  I have no land here or I would try it out.  My little garden area is flat.

Bill

[sm0ky2]

ok well, the coil by itself produces a potential of approx. 0.5v
with almost no measurable current, as to be expected from any steel / copper combo in open air...

the patent does say to use a secondary,
and also to wet the cell.

i guess my question is,. do i connect the 2 primary wires together at the ends? or what do i do with those??

im preparing to coil the secondary of 350 turns,
bifilar primary is approx 50 turns (100 in all)

but im unsure of what to do with the 4 wire ends..
the patent is not clear on that, it says to connect at least one end, but what of the other?

[Pirate88179]

Smokey:

If you wound and insulated that coil correctly, and it sounds as if you did, stick it in your sink and let the air bubbles stop coming out, takes about a minute or so.  Pull it out and check the mA's.  Make sure you are on a way higher scale than you think you could ever get...I lost 3 fuses this way before I realized what was happening.  My guess is that your mA's will be between 18 and 40, but this is just a guess.

As to where the wires go...I would not connect copper to iron on either end as this will read as a short.  It has been a while but I tested for volts and amps all the combinations I could think of like copper one end to iron wire on the other, copper on one end to core of the other, (my best readings) etc.

I never added much of a secondary to any of mine so I can't help there but, it would be cool to see what your primary puts out before adding the secondary, in case that makes it drop or increase somehow.

Bill

[jeanna]

ok well, the coil by itself produces a potential of approx. 0.5v
with almost no measurable current, as to be expected from any steel / copper combo in open air...

the patent does say to use a secondary,
and also to wet the cell.

i guess my question is,. do i connect the 2 primary wires together at the ends? or what do i do with those??

im preparing to coil the secondary of 350 turns,
bifilar primary is approx 50 turns (100 in all)

but im unsure of what to do with the 4 wire ends..
the patent is not clear on that, it says to connect at least one end, but what of the other?

Yes Sm0ky2,
The simple answer is we never found out.

You are correct the volts will never go higher than 0.5 and after you do as Bill says and you see the mA that is also the maximum you will see.
As I recall, it goes down quickly after this and even when you put it into the ground.

He was a little cagey about how to connect the wires, and we never did find an answer. In the patent he indicated that you would put a load between the iron and copper wires, but he was forced to call it a battery by the patent office, and I suspect that this was part of completing that requirement.

I realized we COULD get somewhere by connecting the wires. BUT NOT when it is connected or tested against itself.

I used one as the toroid in a basic joule thief circuit and got basic good joule thief results. I will look them up because they were the highest result I had ever achieved from a NS generator.

I bought an ignition coil 2 weeks ago and last week I persisted in a question about the fact that the primary and secondary are connected in that. I did get my answer, but it was lost on many people why I was so pushy about this inquiry.
In an ignition coil the primary and secondary are wound like this if you connect the ends that are the last ones out. He called these the 5,6 so I will from now on too.

If you connect the 5,6 wires, you get a center tapped bifilar coil with 2 similar lengths, but 2 different resistances and a magnetic component in the wire as well as in the core.
I once even wound a 22T secondary around one of these wires and saw many mvolts there when tested against the center bolt in the ground-- I think. I was confused about this and let it rest for a year, but it is an important part of what happens.

THAT was the Radiant Coil - the one that produced the scope measurements of 106mV from the radiant stuff from a joule thief. The scope was connected across the 200Turn real secondary wires. When I turned on the joule thief, and the scope got so active without touching the joule thief to the NSCoil.

Lots os questions remain.

thank you for doing this,

jeanna

oops edit add
I am using this connection in the tests I am reporting here.
I connect the 5,6 on the NS coil and connect that to the zinc probe. And I do the same thing at the north end to the carbon probe. It is the twisted 5,6 connected to the earth probes on one or both ends that is giving me the interesting scope results. You will not see this on a DMM. I have been showing the DMM results along with the scope results.

jeanna
the rain stopped me but I can show the dmm and one scope shot from these as I described today.

[sm0ky2]

Thank you Jeanna & Bill.

so Bill, just to be clear on what you're saying here...
(im going to call the ends of the core "top" and "bottom", because mine is oriented vertically, though NS said horizontally does not affect operation)

i leave the bottom ends "open", and measure across the top wires, while its wet??


@ Jeanna,
                  about the inclination, the SUN has little to do with this, i believe our magnetic field is a direct result of the spinning molten core deep inside the earth, causing an electro-magnetic induction.
This is the 'source' of the tri-phase signal we are picking up on our scopes with the EB data logging experiments.

were it caused by the sun, the  "magnetic north" and resulting localized inclination of the field would change drastically throughout our annual orbit around the sun, and even would be somewhat noticible with day/night. Thus rendering our compasses useless.
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my intuition tells me to send the pulsing DC from my EB-JT circuit across the steel wire of the stubblefield coil, and measure current through the copper... i'll definately get some data from that arrangement.

but im still puzzled as to how NS actually hooked up these 4 wires. or if he left 2 of them "open",  or possibly sunk into the ground....

the ground here in kansas reads out at about 800KOhms anywhere between 1 inch and 7-feet. i havent tested further distances yet.

im also open to the possibility that NS tied the ends of each wire together, copper+copper  and steel+steel.  so i will experiment with that as well and post my results.

it may be important to mention that my "steel wire" is actually galvanized, as that was all that was available to me at the time.
this may or may not make a difference,..