Fallacies in Lee?Tseung Lead Out theory &Veljko Milkovic 2 Stage Mech amplifier

[laci]

@Hans,

   The cartoon is definitely witty, but Noodledick is getting even worse - if that is possible at all -;

   he is fast becoming our everyday lough.

   But, I suppose,  from his coordinate system we all have a screw loose. Sometimes I feel sorry for
   
   him...

    laci

[magnetmotorman]

Veljko Milkovic?s Two Stage Mechanical Amplifier System.

1.   This so called amplifier is supposed to be producing 12 times more work than the work provided. Please read http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm for further details.
2.   This oscillator also works on principle of pendulum. There is a huge fulcrum. On one side you have a heavy hammer and on other side you have a pendulum which weighs equally as hammer. When pendulum is set in motion and it gets in resonance then at a small moment of time when it is at its pick displacement, it becomes weightless. Thus the total weight is transferred to the hammer and its produces a large force. Now if you apply just enough force to keep the pendulum overcoming frictional and resistive forces, which is going to be very small, then you have got tremendous work at a very small expense. If you device a system that utilizes this work done to give small fraction of it back to move the pendulum, there you go! You have a system with 12 COP. Amazing isn?t it?
3.   FALLACY: Now read a Lever system properly. What is a lever? Archimedes was the first to explain the principle of the lever, stating:
"Weights at equal distances are in equilibrium, and equal weights at unequal distances are not in equilibrium but incline towards the weight which is at the greater distance."
The point where you apply the force is called the effort. The effect of applying this force is called the load. The load arm and the effort arm are the names given to the distances from the fulcrum to the load and effort, respectively. Using these definitions, the Law of the Lever is:
Load arm X load force = effort arm X effort force. When 2 things are balanced, when a 1 gram feather for instance is balanced by a one kilogram rock on a lever the feather would go up and the rock would go down, but if a 1 kilogram rock was balanced by a 1 kilogram rock, the lever would be in the middle.
4.    In other words, if the system is perfectly balanced, even applying a small load on one side can lift up the other side. So now can we say, that see I am moving a rock of 100 kg with a force of say 1 kg? No.
5.   Now in Milkovic system, as the weight of hammer and weight of pendulum are equal, the fulcrum is in the middle. Now according to the principle of lever, even a small force is going to move the hammer. I did not understand use of pendulum there. If instead of pendulum, I have a counter weight, I am going to get same effect. Only thing is that I will have to pull counterweight vertically and if it?s a pendulum, I will use horizontal force.
6.   Remember, the main work of balancing the large weight is done by the counter weight and not by the small force I am applying. I am using lever because it will be easier for me to move this weight with a small force. BUT NO MATTER HOW SMALL THIS ADDED FORCE IS, IT?S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ?EXTRA? OR ?ADDITIONAL? FORCE. If you do not supply this additional force, the weights will balance each other and system will come to equilibrium and it will come to full stop.
7.   The added force is doing only the additional work and exactly that much extra work is what you are getting. So there is practically ?NO WAY? to generate this additional force from the system itself and ?CLOSE THE LOOP?.
8.   Principle of lever is in use for long time and many industries use it every day and every minute. For example you have Pulley system, fly presses etc which do the same work. A man who can not lift 500 kg weight with his own hands, can lift is easily with pulley. So will it be wise to say that he is working with over unity?
9.   And because of not understanding this simple logic, Milkovic is ?STILL NOT ABLE TO CLOSE THE LOOP.? He has provided a huge mathematical explanation which I did not understand because of my simple analysis.
10.   Any one has better solution or explanation than this?

What a really stupid post!

The best words: "I did not understand use of pendulum there."

Obviously "NO MATTER HOW SMALL, THIS ADDED FORCE (the counter weight) IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN 'EXTRA' OR 'ADDITIONAL' FORCE." And...? What is the point?

Dear little ignorant, a counter weight is not a "force", it is a weight. In electricity terms: tension. To move "current" trough this "tension", is called "power".

The two stages pendulum just get that: to move that potential force.

And yes, IT DOES CLOSES THE LOOP. The loop is just there, at the counter weight!, its movement. Up an down, up and down, up... a closed and "unlimited" loop. Why unlimited? Because, the load over the "load arm", does not affect the movement of the first stage pendulum, and the amount of the free source of energy is lower than output force. The full loop can be closed easily, because the nature of both forces is the same: mechanical. This is also called "free energy".

See the video again, and try again.

[utilitarian]

Dear little ignorant, a counter weight is not a "force", it is a weight. In electricity terms: tension. To move "current" trough this "tension", is called "power".

Since you are bold enough to call others ignorant who do not agree with your views, I am sure you have a "closed loop" perpetually moving Milkovic device to show us.  What, you don't?

[tagor]

Because, the load over the "load arm", does not affect the movement of the first stage pendulum,

this is absolutely false , you are totaly wrong

[magnetmotorman]

Since you are bold enough to call others ignorant who do not agree with your views, I am sure you have a "closed loop" perpetually moving Milkovic device to show us.  What, you don't?

Absolutely yes! I will show it this next year.