Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

Well   I had some questions like how heavy will it be    how much vibration[will i be able to put it in grandmas up stairs with out shaking the house] but i guess your going thru it know so ill wait  PS i like aluminum very easy to sand cast   Chet  OH also how noisy [sound enclosure ]

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Eskimo Quinn
By your last statment it sounds to me like you don't know if it will work or not but even if it doesn't as I said its been fun taking the ride as it was.
I was thinking if you had a disk at 45 degrees with one weight being a magnet on the top and you let it go it will act much the same as a upright wheel, you drop it from 1 it goes around to about 10 so if this setup was on a pivit point then you could rock it back and forth easy so now you let the weighted wheel drop from 1 it reaches 7 where there is an electromagnet the electromagnet is switched on its the same pole as your magnet weight and pushes it up rocking the wheel on its pivit point so now the weight goes down again its at 1 again and drops to 7 where a second electromagnet is switched on repelling the magnet wieght and pivitting the wheel again so again your wieght is at 1 and again drops, as long as the wheel keeps rocking up and down on its pivit point the magnet weight will keep spining around.
Take Care All
Graham

[badassdjbynight]

Thanks for the clarification on the yaz copy.  It was my misunderstanding as I thought you meant copy of the actual device not copy of the explanation of how it works.

As for my speed question let me be more specific and get to the heart of my question.  And this might apply more to the other speculations on the site than your actual device - since you have not verified some of those details.  If there is a weight sliding around inside a tube which much travel across to return to the 1 o'clock position and thus restart the cycle, I see that this motion would take some time.  Meaning the wheel wouldn't move very fast.  Weights moving around to keep the wheel moving to me looks more like water hitting a waterwheel to make it turn.  In that example speed depends on scale.  The large the device the slower it would spin because the farther the weights have to slide.

If the wheel did move fast at some RPM wouldn't the centrifugal force take over and prevent the sliding weights from doing anything other than staying at the outer edge of the tubes?

I know "fast" and "slow" are not specific terms but are very vague.  But as a reference point did your "toy" version rotate relatively fast (say anything above 60 RPM) or slower?  Do you jump start it by spinning it as fast as you can by hand or by just setting the weights a certain way and letting it do it's thing?

I hope my comments don't sound like a debunker.  They are just questions as I am curious.  The truth will eventually be made clear and we can all keep our fingers crossed.

In one of his last post he says that the satellite is the key.. that at ALL times it's being pulled towards the earth to fall.  True for the satellite because of the gravity caused by the massive mass of the earth.  In order to not fall it has to be traveling fast.  Could Archer be devising a way to create a pull towards the center of the wheel?  Probably not - too literal.  That type of force (towards the center) doesn't cause rotation on this kind of wheel.  It doesn't cause rotation or forward motion on the satellite either.  Aside - In order to work the satellite had to be placed in orbit which means at a specific distance from the earth and traveling at a specific speed.  (Too fast and it flings into space, too slow and it falls to earth.)  To create the orbit a LOT of energy had to be used first.  Say you tried to harness energy from the satellite's movement.. that would cause DRAG and it would slow down and lose orbit.  Again maybe I'm being too literal with the satellite analogy.

I think archer is suggesting a constant force not towards the center of the wheel but offset from the center (like gravity).  Gravity is constant.  But still in order to rotate on its own there has to be a weight offset from one side of the wheel to the other.  Not sure how to make that a constant offset.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

@rustysprings, sounds like i dont know if it will work?? second machine not first.

if you give a jumbo an upsale of ten times will it fly, no new tech, same parts ten times bigger, will it fly?

doubt anyone can answer that, but the original jumbo still flies does it not, i do not have this issue going through my head for two reasons, built it once already and secondly, this is hardly the size of a hydro dam from which the small one originated.

power and torque have nothing what soever to do with rpm. again i will get you to get off your bum and go out into the real world and see this in action, not use newtonian math.

the most powerful saw in a metal shop is a cold saw, it turns so slow you can still read the writing on the blade, speed and rpm never equal torque, weight can equal torque though.

[sm0ky2]

make no mistake, people are writing that i am claiminmg to be some saviour, i come to destory what is, not fucking save this pile of shit you call civilization.
this planet is fucked, i simply want a new one.

i have gained a newfound respect for your efforts Archer. and i am begining to understand your intentions.

i think my biggest problem is my personal conflict with things i understand and have performed, vs. what is being said about those things. (unrelated to this wheel)  they have nothing to do with the wheel we are discussing, but it still sets off huge red flags in my head, and im having a hard time setting those aside....

that being said..

i think what you are trying to describe (at least in the way i understand it) is the difference between weight and momentum.

weight
on a 500ton wheel, if you add a 10gram coin to one side. it will turn with the force of :
10g* (height)* (9.8m/s)

Momentum:
the power acted upon anything trying to STOP this now moving wheel
is equivalent to the speed of the wheel * 5 tons, 10 grams.
so the actual power factor will be::    the total Mass of the wheel / the Radius

what you are saying about your wheel actually makes a lot of sense, the only thing im not quite grasping.
[which is also the only thing you haven't given us fully yet] is the method of transfering this imbalance.....