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No one has however yet answered my first question, if both sides have the same weight why does the balance come to rest only when parallel to the floor? As one side is lifted does it become heavier? What would Newton say???

When the scale is out of level what force starts it moving, and why is this force so strong? How can this force be gone when both sides are at the same height? This force is spining the system with considerable power at only a 45 degree incline on release.

Dave L

What would Newton say? You don't have a perfect (ideal) lever! That's why 2 perfectly equal weights placed on an ideal wheel (same radii, 180deg apart) would always balance in any position. But the weighing scale is intentionally  made in a way, which can show an equilibrium only when in horizontal/waterline position.
Any, even the tiniest offset from axis level shows in changing the CENTER OF GRAVITY (COG) of a scale beam itself. This is the thing which many of people here overlooked..

So, raised & lowered joints, fulcrum, deformations of a long beams, banana shape, V-shape, L-shape,..name it... everything acts differently! And according to the lever/balance option you have, the basic equation for the lever changes accordingly. A force parallelogram and trigonometry! That's it!

Archer's fulcrum is a case...   

[onesnzeros]

damm just did a test and i was wrong rofl

a crane to lift the beam at the total cost of the weight of the beam does nearly kick ass as well as the machine itself, the cost of stragit return is 17 kilos.

but like i said, i had to repair the beam when it broke, and am am pretty sure it weighs more than 17 kilos, so if that truns out to be the case on the scales, it prooves the half pipe use and inverting the fulcrm is the key, it could not possible in all the newtonian math in the world cost less to pull it down aganist the 5 to 1 leverage weight of the beam itself.

the only comeback for that would be to say the short end was heavier, which kida fucks up the old long end being heavier than 5 to 1 now doesnt it.

I should have realised that if the halfpipe over the hill climb was a truly unique power on its own it would apply in both directions, so off to do the vids of rear lift, and then take it down and weight it.

my money is better than 17 kilos in weight, ther has to be at least 2 kilos in steel from the original weight

Archer, without any weight attached,  the lever should balance. Does it? If not, you have proven nothing. Also, a true analysis would take into consideration the center of gravity for the lever assembly. It is obvious that the center of gravity is underslung or below the pivot point. This puts the center of the mass below the pivot which would help the lever seek a level but would also skew the results once it begins to move away from rest. You just need to take the weights off, add weight to the short end until the lever is level. Then do you your weight test for the world to see. By the way, you are demonstrating a 'lever'. An extremely device. You can only cloud the true details of your setup for so long before Newton bitch slaps you again.

onesnzeros

[onesnzeros]

Obvisouly every one on thies forum is working for oil companies. Do you think me and arch are stupid?

Arch has already proven everything. What else do you want?...you stupid dropkick monkey moronic iodiots! If you just listen to him and quit trying to change his words you will see that he is brilliant! He has discovered things that nonone has understood for thousands of years. In just a few days all of the world's oil companies will be worth dirt. Listen to him and find new jobs cause your feakin oil companies are gone bybye.

Archer can beat Newton 6 ways - he is already on 4 (maybe 5?). After learning from him I also see that overunity is everywhere. Just open your eyes you stupid monkeys!

Here's another one that I bet no-one on this stupid monkey forum has every seen - and it is right under your butt everyday. Free energy when you flush the toilet! WAM! Didn't see that did you? So, just hook a mini-generator like you see on a river under your toilet. Everytime you flush you now have FREE ENERGY! You freakin ididitots could never see that even though it is right there. The water is already there - you see any electricity going to your toilet?  Uh  NO - it got there by gravity - and now you can use that gravity at NO COST to generate electrticyt. Just think when you get the runs - and you have to do a lot of flushing - you will be producing so much electricity, the power company will pay you. Then you probably get enough extra cash to buy some medicine. So not only has the toilet-generator produced elelectricy - but also it provided free medicine. You iditiot!s

One more for I go - HELIUM - just try this - get a balloon - fill with Helium - tie 1.4 kg weigh - keep filling with helium until weight rises - now use 1/5 diameter pully with cord going through metal beam to other side of fulcrum - watch the beam go up/down to inifinity! No power - no magets - just FREE reverse gravity - no one saw that one !  I told you that I see free enegry everywhere - in this is just the start of what will soon be unleashed on the world. Better hold on - it's gonna be a wild ride. May peace be with you. Dropkicks!

Freddy

hey guys, does satire get any better than this?

onesnzeros

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So lets say what is happening with Archers sword is ' real'   he is getting the 1 ltr bottle to lift the 2o ltr can   and we know his original design involves cycling the mass to repeat the process  so far seems like thats going to happen   I still think there is a leef-spring effect going on with the drop torquing the fulcrum with stored gravity/ energy to be used in the return cycle IMO  Chet   PS pure power nice build why is the short side so far from the pivot?

[onesnzeros]

Playing with the numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever

According to Newton, if I have this correct, a 5 to 1 distance should balance with 5 to 1 weight ratio on each side.

balance arm weight 29.9 kg

short side arm weight 14.95 kg
long side 14.95 kg

short load 20 kg
long side load .75 kg balanced?

Newtonian calc, lever must be 20 / .75 ratio = 26.6 / 1 for a balance
Yet we see 5 / 1 lifts it to a balanced point?

We are getting nearly the square of the expected lift weight from a lever.
5 to 1 length is lifting about 25 to 1 weight ratio.

Weight ratio of balance arm to load weights 29.9 / 20.75 = 1.44
The square of the arm length ratio plus the balanced to unblanced ratio =
26.44 very close to what we actually observe in the video?

If this is true then the balanced weight is a factor as well as the offbalanced distance squared.

This is radically different then the Newtonian descriptions on the net!
Has anyone actually set up a balance and proven this?
Frankly I am so tired of reading all the "emotional process" I willl have to do this!
I want to see some more real numbers from experiment before taking a side in the heated debate.

Dave L

libra_spirit

Your equation is miss applied. Just suppose for a moment that the 20kg was just enough to balance the lever without adding the .75kg to the right. What would your equasion tell you then?

"Newtonian calc, lever must be 20 / .75 ratio = 26.6 / 1 for a balance Yet we see 5 / 1 lifts it to a balanced point?


this whole lever thing is not that complicated. According to his video, the lever balances with .75kg on the long end and 20kg on the short end. Now add ANY amount of additional weigt at the long end and the lever moves. That is what is supposed to happen.......How much will the extra weight on the long end lift? Thats easy, if the lever is 5:1 (distance ratio not weight ratio) , then it become 5 x the additional weight less any friction. There is absolutely nothing going on in Archers videos that breaks any Newtonian laws.

cheers libra_spirit

onesnzeros