Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

Graham thank you I understand the distance ratio is not the issue the weight ratio is an issue   whatever the beam weighs yes it helps go down   but it must also come back up   this I have always understood   but Archer is claiming to have a way to cycle that I do not yet understand   he talks about the weight coming back up almost as an afterthought   like he will do something before this part of the cycle with the heavy weight
@PURE POWER thank you for that offer to the thread you are a tremendous asset to this Forum [just might take you up   not yet]   Chet

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
One last try again the beams weight is as Archer said around 30ks its length is 6m you need the weight of every meter to know what each section past the pivit points wieght is so you divide 6 into 30 that gives you 5ks for each meter you have 1 meter on the short end so its weight is 5ks you have 5 meters on the long end so 5ks each meter that means the long ends weight is 25ks, now the long end is 25ks the short end is 5ks so the lever will drop to the long end with out adding any weight, you have 5 times more wieght on the long end then the short and nothing has been added now put the 20ks on the short end and the weight for that end becomes 25ks the weight for the long end is still 25ks everything is balanced you add your 1k to the long end and the lever drops but because both sides were 25ks before you added that one k your not lifting any extra weight in fact like I said your not lifting anything at all your just dropping the weight that unbalances everything and thats 1k.
Take Care all
Graham 

[Evg]

All you posters are intelligent. I am still stuck on ?what is or what produces gravity?
All I know it?s there and all bodies have it, depending on size and density and maybe the volume of gas/liquid/mass, gravity attracts. It gets more complicated with those bodies electrical/magnetic fields, which is also a property of the above. That makes it so difficult for me to even think of manipulating something I don?t understand fully. So I just tinker, a bit like all those old wives tales for some reason they worked (a good proportion of them) and no body knew why until a hundred years later science caught up and improved their research with high tech equipment. The most amazing things I find the lost technology from centuries ago like brain surgery (on live people) Building of pyramids (lots of different explanations now) Will al the now technology change within the next 3 decades? Will all that technology disappear again?
Looking back in the past, it seems that a working idea has to come first, before science can look into it and say why it works. That is why I am still open minded about Archer and any new idea, that I can?t dismiss easily.   

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Chet
Thats the key if he can lift a weight off at the right time and put it back on at the right time then he would have a working system but how he does that I have no idea.
I showed someone how you maybe able to do it using my Trigate to move the weight from 11 to 1, using magnets as the weight at the 11 the magnet comes onto the Trigate it rolls along the gate and connects to a empty arm at 1 and this will always make one side heavier then the other but your movement is always only from 11 to 12 or 12 to 1 to get more I would have to have the Trigate go uphill and thats hard because its fighting gravity.
Take Care Chet
Graham

[Rusty_Springs]

All you posters are intelligent. I am still stuck on ?what is or what produces gravity?
All I know it?s there and all bodies have it, depending on size and density and maybe the volume of gas/liquid/mass, gravity attracts. It gets more complicated with those bodies electrical/magnetic fields, which is also a property of the above. That makes it so difficult for me to even think of manipulating something I don?t understand fully. So I just tinker, a bit like all those old wives tales for some reason they worked (a good proportion of them) and no body knew why until a hundred years later science caught up and improved their research with high tech equipment. The most amazing things I find the lost technology from centuries ago like brain surgery (on live people) Building of pyramids (lots of different explanations now) Will al the now technology change within the next 3 decades? Will all that technology disappear again?
Looking back in the past, it seems that a working idea has to come first, before science can look into it and say why it works. That is why I am still open minded about Archer and any new idea, that I can?t dismiss easily.   

I understand what your saying Evg I know everything I know from experiments and logic, I have no degrees in anything and to most on this site I would be classed as a dummy because I left school at 12 but I know by looking at something why it will or will not work, I have not went with Archer because I have did the experiments he talks about years ago and I can see that to get OU you need everything going for you and nothing against, once I see he has to fight magnetic force or gravity at some point I say to myself this will not work because you not only have to over come the normal forces but you have to overcome two more forces as well, I have learnt everything is give and take so what ever system you come up with it will give to you with some things but take from you with other, like gravity it will give you downwards movement but take it back going up, magnets will give you attract in but take it away comming out with attract back, it will take repel in away from you but give it back with repel out, the trick is to make it take less then it gives to get OU and to do this as I said everything has to be for you going in the same direction as you want, anything going in the opposite direction is something more you have to over come.
Take care All
Graham