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Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

Started by mondrasek, July 11, 2008, 04:55:49 PM

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mondrasek

Quote from: capthook on July 18, 2008, 10:43:22 PM
An array that starts and ends with halbachs with trigates in the middle could hold promise for closing the loop on ...... something!! (ideas?)

I found the tri-force gate very interesting and set this up to play with:  I removed the mass switches and stator mags from my wood wheel (we have Clanzer building, so why do I need my crappy version?).  I then arrayed 12 of my 1/2" dia x 1/2" long mags on the rim so that the North face was on one side of the wheel and the South on the other (centerlines in same plane as the wheel axel).  Then I made one tri-force gate and put it in place near where the bottom stator magnet used to be.  Really neat to see the pulsing that goes on near the end of a wind down.  The rotor mags slow as they approach the gate and then fire through with obvious acceleration.  When the wheel stops it will settle so that one mag is very close to the push side, but the other is very far from the pull side.  So there is a definite repulsive force on the pull side that acts over a longer distance.

Using TK's "calibrated weight drop" test method (only one time each) I witnessed 38 revs (no stop watch) with the gate in place, but 47 without it.  So it is definitely being retarded by the single gate.  I plan to play with it further later today.

Does anyone know of a thread where this type of configuration is/has been tested?  If not, if anyone else wants to start playing with this configuration lets start a new thread.

gwhy!

Quote from: mondrasek on July 19, 2008, 08:13:34 AM
I found the tri-force gate very interesting and set this up to play with:  I removed the mass switches and stator mags from my wood wheel (we have Clanzer building, so why do I need my crappy version?).  I then arrayed 12 of my 1/2" dia x 1/2" long mags on the rim so that the North face was on one side of the wheel and the South on the other (centerlines in same plane as the wheel axel).  Then I made one tri-force gate and put it in place near where the bottom stator magnet used to be.  Really neat to see the pulsing that goes on near the end of a wind down.  The rotor mags slow as they approach the gate and then fire through with obvious acceleration.  When the wheel stops it will settle so that one mag is very close to the push side, but the other is very far from the pull side.  So there is a definite repulsive force on the pull side that acts over a longer distance.

Using TK's "calibrated weight drop" test method (only one time each) I witnessed 38 revs (no stop watch) with the gate in place, but 47 without it.  So it is definitely being retarded by the single gate.  I plan to play with it further later today.

Does anyone know of a thread where this type of configuration is/has been tested?  If not, if anyone else wants to start playing with this configuration lets start a new thread.

Hi mondrasek,
   I dont know how you would configure the tri-gate with your current setup to get the most out of it ( the tri-gate that is )  I have posted a few ideas  (drawings) That I believe stand a very good chance of working using a tri-gate ( I am also building ). I think the beauty of the tri-gate ( which I think has been overlooked by many people ) is that there is a null spot on the entrance to the gate and also at the exit of the gate just before and after the negitive effects of the gate ( hope this makes sence ). Please try for your self put together a 3 gate array on a level surface there is a point at the start that the roller mag neither gets pushed or pulled  and there is a simular spot at the end of the array. My theory is if the roller mag can enter the array at this spot with minimum work and then lifted out at the other end with minimum work then we will have a runner. The negitive effects of the tri-gate extend well beyond the end of the array so its more of a engineering problem. Just some food for thought.

gyulasun

Hi Mondrasek and Gwhy,

There have been attempts to reduce the entry repel force at the tri-force gate setup by making some extra magnets and / or shaping the input part of the gate into kind of V arrangement.
A good collection of these videos are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMSSz7W8YU 
Clanzer also dealt with this entry repel problem, see his video 14 and later here: http://www.overunity.org.uk/triforcegate.html

And here is an interesting test showing some gain againts gravity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCW6T7oKq2c

There have been a thread on the tri-force gate here but it was cut up by personal attacks unfortunately? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4142.0.html

rgds,  Gyula

mscoffman

Quote from: gyulasun on July 19, 2008, 12:31:43 PM
Hi Mondrasek and Gwhy,

...
And here is an interesting test showing some gain againts gravity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCW6T7oKq2c
...

rgds,  Gyula



H'mm...having this runner going through the array in reverse takes all of the extra energy back out!

:SMarkSCoffman


Xaverius

Quote from: noonespecial on July 17, 2008, 08:16:55 PM
Seems that this guy has it figured out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS2LEXuIBHc&NR=1

Thanx for the link, the next step would be to optimize the electromagnet to use as little power as possible to provide maximum speed and torque.  Then couple the rotor to a load, preferably a generator that feeds back a PORTION of it's power to the inductor.