Electrinium

[resonanceman]

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.

Koen

I really  don't care much about  who has what  theorys  about  this and that .The  theorys  that you  describe  as good working theorys   are  just accepted theorys.   They are probably way  off the way that they actually work . The politics  of science  is  often stronger  than the evidence of science  when it comes to  what  theorys  become accepted . .....Anyone  with  a half way open mind  can see this .

The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.

How  can you  state that  electrinium  is a fantasy ?
Are you  saying that it is impossible  just because  you have never seen any ?
Is it  possible that it is   being  manufactured  and used  by  some  black  opps projects that the public may never  be told about?
Is it possible that it   has been  developed  then  suppressed?

Wouldn't it be something  if  us  fools  working on this  " fantasy  "  came up  with  an idea that helped you  improve your  crystal cells ?

The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems.

My  idea for the  gold/iron  cell that we talked about early in this thread always included melting  the  metals  with high  current  and burning  current paths through the material.
I was simply  relating  my understanding  of  a way  that might  work for making  a form of electrinium  to the superconducting  plastic idea.

Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.

As I see it the  non conductive particles  would  help define the  size of the channels ......and also  help dissipate heat.
I am not as sure of the conductive particles .
One  way that   conductive  particles could  be used is  if  one side of them  was made of a metal that  easily emitted electrons .....and the other side  did not easly emit  electrons .... it would work like a string of micro vacuum  tubes.

Another  way might  be geometry  of the particles
If  the  particles  were shaped  like a tear drop and all lined up in the same direction  the points would  emit  a lot more  electrons  than the  rounded ends.

in  both cases  the  channels  would  be  very narrow and  formed in the path of least resistance  between the non conductive  particles.

gary

[resonanceman]

the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
(static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)

Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary

[sm0ky2]

Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary

i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone

[resonanceman]

i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone

Sounds interesting

Back on  page 6 I  tried  to describe a way to  possibly make  Iron/gold electrinium  I like  the idea because it is fairly  simple  , the ceramic  bead  that  is the " container '  for  the  process also becomes the  outer  shell  of the  finished unit.   The process would  be fairly easy to test  on a small scale ..........but also  could  be automated without  to much  trouble.

I  made a few crude  drawings to help explain ....   Just go back to page  6 and  scan for the  big ugly  gifs   

I  was thinking that  your idea might  be able to  be made  in a  similar way .... perhaps  a plug  made  of the  right  components  between the electrodes.  The electrodes  would have to be made in  such a way to permanently fuse to the  main  core and provide the  proper electrical  conections.


gary

[nievesoliveras]

@all

I was browsing the forum as usual and I found this thread that on this specific link, the guy states that he has a shorted 12v battery and talks about a diode battery. I think that this is related with the electrinium.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.msg144295#msg144295

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