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Overunity Machines Forum



A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2

Started by brian334, October 04, 2008, 01:08:18 PM

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allcanadian

@AB Hammer
QuotePeople do laugh at what they don't understand. I think since you won't take Hans words of experience, and you seem to not understand hydraulics. You need to study the friction that submarines have to deal with to go through water, and then you might understand what Hans is saying.
I don't think so, you have assumed the water in the larger tank is immobile like in your submarine analogy when it cannot be, the smaller tanks are moving thus the water is circulating at the same velocity with the tanks once in motion. You know---things in motion tend to stay in motion---momentum, there is not nearly as much friction as you have assumed.

@Brian334
This system is very interesting and as you say rather funny---nobody gets this in any way,shape or form. ;D I have a little saying---all forces being equal inertia can sway the balance, I wonder if this applies here.LOL
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

hansvonlieven

@ allcanadian,

you are correct by stating that the water in the tank will rotate with the mechanism. This does not free you of friction though as the water is forced to rotate against the outer tank's walls. Whichever way you turn it you are still losing energy because of it.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

AB Hammer

Quote from: allcanadian on October 10, 2008, 03:47:18 PM
@AB HammerI don't think so, you have assumed the water in the larger tank is immobile like in your submarine analogy when it cannot be, the smaller tanks are moving thus the water is circulating at the same velocity with the tanks once in motion. You know---things in motion tend to stay in motion---momentum, there is not nearly as much friction as you have assumed.


Have you ever tested a boat motor in a 55gal. drum of water?
Now think vibration into the calculations. It can get worse. LOL
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan

brian334


AB Hammer

Quote from: brian334 on October 10, 2008, 09:43:51 PM
Mr. Hammer,
That is da-um.

Brian

You haven't ever worked on a boat motor have you? Most boat motors are water cooled so you have to test it in water. Most people don't have there shop near water so you have to improvise.

This is what I always will laugh about. The lack of real world experience. The hands on versus the arm chair philosophers. All the book learning in the world, will not give you the whole story. So it is time to get your hands into it and learn. 

And so you will under stand what I am saying, in other terms. A closed system of fluid with movement will cause vibration, and vibration will work against you as well. I can tell you how to correct it, but I am not going to, until you have tried to build it. It is now time to get to work.  Good Luck

PS I use to be in the US Coast Guard (river navigation) and one of my best friends was an engineer with the US Corp of Engineers. And my fondest memory is when I boarded the Calypso, Capt Jacques Cousteau (He is sorely missed) original ship and shook his hand and talked to the crew as well. ( I had a chance to take a year a tour on it after the Coast Guard but I had to learn french) So you might say I know a little about water movement by real world experience. And some things I have seen on the Mississippi river would scare the hell out of you. For instance a harbor tug sucked down into the river and the tug had no leaks or anything wrong with it. Just pure water movement.
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan