Joule Thief

[electricme]

@ Jeanna,
I will try and answer you questions.
But first I want to say a few words to those bellyaching about this being off topic.

I have slept on this overnight before posting, and I feel I'm in the right frame of mind to throw my 2 cents in and say what needs to be said.

Some here have loudly bewailed the fact that there are offtopic posts, so there are, you are quite correct, however, do you know or understand the reason for those posts?
which involves the Nathan Stubblefield Forum (there are 2 of them), and how it relates to the Joule Thief Forum?
Their histories are combined.

I know of at least 4 people who post in this forum who were posting in the NS forums, (I include myself in this group), Both Stubblefield forums got stuck in a rut, and needed some fresh thinking/ideas, to get back into it again.

It turns out that no matter what people did in the NS forums, they just could not get the EB to function as the patient described, this caused a lot of grey hairs and angst.

Believe you me, a lot of effort and research went into those forums.

I believe it was because of this disappointment, that this forum was started, it just so happened that the Joule Thief has kick started the posting back onto the NS forums, about a year later.
In the future I will be posting NS stuff there and JT stuff here.

It has been mentioned several times by posters here, would the JT work off a NS earth battery?

Several pages ago, someone was lamenting the fact they really wanted to see what a Earth Battery output was like.

So I connected my cro up to my EB electrodes and provided the answers, now I will not accept any blame for doing this, I saw my actions as helping someone out who really wanted to find out just what was the energy in the EB.

The direct result of my posting my scope results has got another 2 people to do the same thing.

If you think what I am saying is not the right thing to do, then all I can say, go back and read the posts before the off topic post begun and see for yourselves.




I will now answer Jeannas questions as best I can, here in this forum, as she asked them here in this forum.

Excellent Jim,

I like the progression of these videos.

My scope's sampling limit is 5Mhz but it can only show around 2MHz.
I can see a lot of the jumping around.
If I set it so it is reading in the millivolts arena, I can see a wave close enough to stop it and measure it.

In fact, it moves way too fast to see, much faster than your video. I suspect it is the resolution of mine being more limited. I must stop it by putting it on hold to be able to measure the wave and see that it is 2.2MHz.

It looks a lot like the second one where it flips and the up curves become down curves.

For our information, what is the time between 2 waves on that squiggle at the most regular points?

Thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna,
The wave never seems to stop or come to a rest, it wriggils all the time, this makes it very hard for me to do anything with it except look at the wave form.

You are lucky you can "sample and hold", my cro cannot do this.

You mention it flipped up and curves down, last night I couldn't understand that, then to day, I took a look at the 2 videos you made, and watching them I realised, you had been able to shade in the middle of the wave, then after it passed the middle line it passed below.
(nice straw hat)
Once a gain my cro can't do this shading in.

Lastly, I have no way to find out the frequencies, a guesstimate would be in the 2mHz ball park, as you have mentioned, however at this point in time, it would have to be me relying on your measurements, as I said, there is just too many wriggling lines on my cro, and I can't freeze/hold them.

Thankyou

jim

@Bill,
If you think I have over done this post, then I will remove it, I will leave the decision to you.

hooroo

jim

[Mk1]

@electicme , jeanna , pirate , gadget ,

Could any of you try a toroid with 2 coil (primary , secondary) connect the primary to the anode and cathode from the EB, test the secondary for power ,  the jt is nothing new, i think its even older then most of us !

NS made the leap evolution in design ,i need to know how good it works !

Mark

I think most are interested in the eb anyway , its good to have news from time to time , and if its useful to even one person then its worth in here!

At some point we will to to sit back , look at all in perspective get the ensemble view , some months ago , a cfl needed the fuji circuit no more , many have reported , but how many did not , the fuji needed a battery first came the 1.5 volts nobody said it was made of earth , there is more then galvanic , doesn't a compass show the tension lines , earth came pre wired in a wireless fashion , that may also explain the kick , if all of that was then the sun would be responsible , humm ....

Ok light is good , but there is so much more to it , but also so symbolic ...

I think the first jt used a eb ,or the eb used a jt, any way it gose full circle .

[electricme]

@MK1,
Hi Mark, this sounds like a nice new experiment to do.

I read you remarks, I agree with them, and I will re-read them again shortly.
any way I have an announcement to make.


@ALL,
                                      
Today just a couple of hours ago I managed to light up my 1Watt LUXEON STAR LED from the EARTH BATTERY.

I actually was going into the kitchen to make a cup of tea, when I saw the LED turning on and off, then it became brighter, at times it went quite bright, then in about 5 minutes, it went off.

Remember there is NO Battery connected to the Earth Battery, just a single 55Farad SC, and as luck would have it, my cro was on and one of my multimeters, so I got 3 TWV files made.

Guess what, they are too big to post here but I put them in the MENU/ downloads section, look at the right hand column.

Success at last.

Now, will it work via joule thief?


jim

[gadgetmall]

Good Morning  all .
              I thought we all had a discussion about the Different things here in this Topic and it was ok to post any experiment here related to Jt eb Led Whatever . I will Continue to post here as its read more than the stubblefield thread . The Earth Battery IS highly related to My JT IN that it is 1 volt . I like one Volt . Dead Battery's , Earth battery  the same Volts . So Sue Me Kick me off or skip over my post . I don't care unless Pirate says different . This is his Great Thread and If he says its ok Cool . If not then you have to remember this . One Volt =1300 volts . And yes it runs from an Earth Battery or a dead battery . the Eb is My foundation for free energy now and forever . I will not power  with a 12 volt battery or go higher on the input unless a one volt power supply is supplying the 12 volts . period. the reason is simple . EB is FREE . 12 volts cells are not . My projects will focus on one thing . Extremely low input volts and Milliamps . in my opinion anything drawing over 14 milliamps is useless especially when i have 25 leds running at .3 volts and 2 milliamps . I want it lower ! and i will do it . And I am working on Earth Batterys Jts hho generators Hf one wire circuits all with the goal of doing it with 1 volt at minimum milliamp .
It is well know that everybody is different and most everybody has their own goal and experiments . I have learned and taught  alot here in this thread . I know of some buyers that only read this topic and bought earth battery's .It is good to have all that information in one topic . Pirate you could change the name to jule thieves   and that would cover it i think .
And BTW the Topic is under POWERING CIRCUITS WITH ONE BATTERY !!

Where you Been Hazens1 ?Anything new  ?

Ok mark i will try it soon Friend .

gadget 

[resonanceman]

Gary,
Do you have any more information for us? Or was it all on that page you wanted to upload.

I would like to know what is happening over there.

So far I cannot make out how you would make a joule thief with one coil of wire wrapped in one direction.- even with a tap or many taps. 
How are you getting the oscillation?

To me a joule thief is based on having a transistor to make the stop and start based on the current/mag field going one way then another way in the paired coils.
Maybe not.
Maybe what you are doing is more like the fuji circuit.
Please give a few more hints?

@Altrez,
Thanks for the info. I look forward to hearing about it this weekend!

jeanna

Jeanna

I like  the  basic  concept  behind the LM  coils
I need to find  ways to  fine tune them
That  was what the 10 taps  were about .......It is  just like tuning  a coil .......only on  a different  scale ......  From here I  will  choose  a  specific  length for my   primarys  and  secondarys  .
I  am  going to  stick with  length  rather than wraps  because I think it is easier  and  will scale  better .


One of my biggest assets is my intuition  .   As I started  the  coil  it hit me that it might  be able  to  run  as a JT   even though it   only has one wire.
By the time I was finished  winding it  I was sure  it would work and knew  exactly how to  hook it up .


Do   you have any  scrap wire laying  around ?
The  easiest way to understand it is to   make one yourself .

The  wire needs to be longer  if you  do not use  a core .

If  you want to use short wire  a nail or something  should work  good enough for a core .

Wind   some wire into  a coil ........ attach  another piece of wire ........wind it on top  of the first wire .......same  direction .  Keep the ends where  you attached the  2 wires out in the open so you can connect to them later .

Once  you have wound    the   second   wire on top of the first  ....... you have your JT .........  2 wires  ........3 ends .
Of  course   it could  be  one wire with a center tap too .

Just  connect  it  as you would your normal JT   
It will work


If you think about it  ........when the current is flowing mostly  through the  first  wire   it sets up  a magnetic field ......   when the  trannsitor  switches  it makes most of the current flow through  the other wire .........that is  towards  the other end of the  coil . ..... It sets up a magnetic  field  opposite of the first one  ......I think the  creation of this  new mag field helps  the old mag field to collapse faster ......or something on that order .


I hope that this helps 


What I tried to upload  was a picture ........just so you could see  the  coil itself ......with its   10  wires  sticking out of the side of the radio  shack   spool 
I have given up on  uploadind it ..... I have wasted  close to 2 hours  tryinig to upload just that one picture ........ it  gets most of the way  uploaded then times out .
This  site  itself  usually times out once or  twice before  I get  a page loaded .
When  I  submit  a normal post it times out ........I  reload it ......and if t went through  I get an error message that I have already submitted the post .
The  quickest way  back   is to  hit the back button until  I get  to  the  page  just before I hit the  reply  button ......then I  reload that page .


gary