"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[WilbyInebriated]

over-unity does exist, a nuclear explosion releases 30,000 times more energy  than what it took to make it happen. but this happens at the nuclear level to make it happen. it is a proof that it can happen.

a nuclear explosion isn't overunity...  don't be asinine.

there is, of course, a tremendous amount of energy stored in an atom, but there is nothing 'overunity' about it.  similarly, there is a tremendous amount of energy at niagara falls, far more than it took to harness, yet the falls are obviously not 'overunity'... 

[evolvingape]

a nuclear explosion isn't overunity...

Correct.

A nuclear explosion is actually massive Coefficient of Performance releasing large amounts of energy previously stored by the environment in heavy elements created during a Supernova. This energy is released by a compression shockwave from the trigger explosion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

http://www.universetoday.com/70646/astronomy-without-a-telescope-alchemy-by-supernova/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_nucleosynthesis

The LFV is designed along the same principle with processing from liquid water to hydrogen and oxygen gas, when triggered thermolysis and fluid flow shaping of the resultant shockwave kick up the energy to a plasma state. The processing cost + the trigger cost are the input energy, the resultant force from the plasma expansion and the shockwave drives the output energy process.

If it produces more energy out, than in, is it overunity or is it COP > 1 ? or is it a combination of both ?

That should get you thinking...

[WilbyInebriated]

If it produces more energy out, than in, is it overunity or is it COP > 1 ? or is it a combination of both ?

it would be COP > 1...

with regards to 'overunity'. this is a made up compound word. what 'unity' means or 'is', was never defined by the originator of the term 'overunity'. if unity is taken to mean what it traditionally means, there can be no such thing as 'overunity'...   similarly, one cannot be 'overdead'...   

[Liberty]

it would be COP > 1...

with regards to 'overunity'. this is a made up compound word. what 'unity' means or 'is', was never defined by the originator of the term 'overunity'. if unity is taken to mean what it traditionally means, there can be no such thing as 'overunity'...   similarly, one cannot be 'overdead'...   

I personally prefer the term "electrically efficient" instead of COP.  If you can show the electrical input in watts vs. the electrical output in watts, you may be able to show an excess output, if the device has the ability to utilize a free energy source other than the input alone, to combine together in the output measurement.

[DreamThinkBuild]

If we cannot create or destroy energy the only option we have is to learn to displace it with the smallest input with the greatest effect and collect as much of the return to equilibrium as efficiently as possible.

Much like the ocean we can use the displacement of waves to generate power through an oscillating buoy yet no water is created or destroyed in the process. Replace ocean with the vast sea of energy around us, our devices have to leverage the natural waves without destroying the displacement that make them work. Finding out how to decouple one from the other but use it's displacement synergistically is the challenge.

LOL. Such an oxymoron, device has to be synergistically decoupled. Like Ying and Yang always apart yet always in harmony.