How the Gray Tube Circuit Works

[quarktoo]

You are glutton for punishment.. A capacitor will not pass a DC current, pulsed or otherwise. You can not charge the cathode of a polarized capacitor from the cathode of a diode.

It has been a few days and I don't care to look at it again but Aaron is or will discover the following:

Capacitors store energy as an electric field and this is "potential energy." (Voltage)

Inductors store energy in the form of a magnetic field and this is the "kinetic energy" in the form of movement of electrons. (current)

So you see that capacitors and inductors are exactly opposite of what they do in a circuit other than the fact that they both store energy.

This is why a capacitor and inductor are necessary to form a resonant tank circuit. The two devices exchange and convert the energy back and forth with very little external energy required. In fact, when capacitive and inductive reactances equal each other, the impedance goes to infinity and a tank circuit draws no current from an AC  source.

The extra energy Aaron thinks he sees is as always, an illusion. Since the capacitor and inductor are exchanging energy back and forth, they produce their own AC current.

I seem to recall reading some where that high frequency AC will repel both poles of a magnet thus giving Aaron the illusion that he has discovered some free energy source while in reality, he is using energy to destroy the energy stored in the magnets for a net sum of less than zero. That also happens to be how much interest I have in his idea.

I know how a gray tube works and posted some info. regarding that. Naudin's example is a well constructed and documented example. Following dissociation of H2, new bonds are probably formed at lower enthalpy and so there is a net loss of energy resulting in an overall exothermic process.

Enjoy your day.

[Dogs]

quarktoo, you are right, my schematic is wrong, the caps would not charge up, so I made a correction (still new to electronics).

A capacitor will not pass a DC current, pulsed or otherwise

Yes, you are right, but I believe that 2 the capacitors can generate an electron vacuum between them if they both discharge at the same time. It seems to me that a non-polar capacitor essentially becomes a positive mono pole at the moment of discharge. A cap will polarity will have more electron vacuum pulling power on one side (+) than the other.

The idea with the new circuit is that when the NPN is off and the PNP is on, the circuit charges the caps, and when the NPN is on and the PNP is off, the circuit discharges the caps.
It looks similar to a tank circuit so it should have resonant characteristics as well.

[quarktoo]

Dogs, yer killin' me here. If you were a defective puppy, I would do the humane thing and drown you in a pail of warm water.

Buy a breadboard and try it. That burning smell will be the result of connecting the gates of a PNP and a NPN transistor together.

If we want a PNP to switch on, we connect the base to ground through a resistor. If we want a NPN to switch on, we tie the base to VCC also through a resistor. We would also bias the base in either case to the opposite charge by a resistor that is 10 times the value of that resistor.

What value are the resistors? Here is a good tutorial on transistors using bipolar transistors.

http://www.rason.org/Projects/transwit/transwit.htm

I am going to unsubscribe from the thread - good luck.

[Dogs]

quarktoo, I'm really not into it for the pain (and you sure can dole it out). But you have good tips (for this newbie), and I appreciate them. Well, if you can stand it! Here we go again (if not, later dude!). I haven't calculated all of the appropriate values for the resistors, but there are known guide lines depending on the transistors used.

I have yet to try it out myself.

Just looked at Bedini's battery charger, interesting how there are some similarities. But he controls his switching with a dual timing chip. And he is not necessarily splitting the positive in order to charge the battery. Curious to see what he has in-store for the public in the future.

[qiman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITqo0uKeaI Dark shot of plasma motor in dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK-iYOimqCw Murakami-Gray 2 Point Motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j-gVvNk8zo Positive jumps to positive with common ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOhV6WTpx08 Murakami-Gray 3 Point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE_GOcUDnY Plasma with and without inductor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VefzlY9sQ Murakami-Gray 3 Point plasma outside of tube

And quarktoo, if you don't understand the similarity between the plasma ignition and the Gray circuit, please limit your posts to threads that are appropriate for your misunderstanding.