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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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WhatIsIt

Quote from: Magluvin on June 10, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
You are not figuring in what it takes in energy to fill the cap to 40v vs 20v.  At 20v there is an amount of energy there which is 20mj for 100uf.  And 100uf at 40v is 80mj.  So are you saying it doesnt take more energy to charge the 20v cap up to 40v than it did to just charge the cap to 20v in the first place? ???
I understand what you are thinking, but it is wrong. Just like in a car audio amplifier, if the rails are +20v and -20v and the rms sine output before clipping is 14.14v, then that divided by 4ohms speaker is rms 3.535amps, then the power sent to the speaker is 49.9849w..  But if the rails are 40v + and - we calculate the same. 28.28v sine just below clipping gives us 7.07amps rms to the speaker which is 199.9396w.   

So you cant think of energy and voltage numbers as linear.  get it? ;)
Mags

Yes, I got it.

We have amps which are linear.
We have voltage which is linear.
Then for power we choose to use non linear result, by multiplying.

P = U  * I
4W = 2V * 2A   or
6W = 2V * 3A
We have only 1A more, but we jumped from 4W to 6W
Where is 5W?
But power can be calculated in linear way, why not?

P = U + I
4W = 2V + 2A
5W = 2V + 3A
There is no reason why we can not calculate power lineary.
In linear way you can still calculate all 3 components, but using + and - .
You wont find this in Wikipedia.
For this you must use brain.

Now, when we do combine 2 or more equations for more complex equation we got
on some occations that some things are multiplyied twice or even more.
because of their linear roots presented by non linear results.

And, voila, we have conundrum.
And it looks like energy in same container jumps by 4 times instead lineary.

But real conundrum lies in usage of operators + , - , * , /

There is no conundrum, just in some cases stupid usage of math.

In case of cap, you raise capacitance or voltage lineary but calculate result non linear which leads to error in our minds.
But is just the way we use our math without thinking.

There is no conundrum.
Sometimes is not good to mix linear and non linear to present things.

Use your logic.
In case of 100uF, 20V and
100uf, 40V
Is there really 4 times more energy difference.
If it is, how we can not got OU by simply raising voltage in cap?

This is just example how can we can create math conundrum,
I dont claim that we must use + and - for calculating power.

Last time you did not understand what I was trying to say.
And you are right, your calculations are correct.
It is just the way we use math.

WhatIsIt

Now,

Lets make a nice big stake fire and burn me,
like in old good days of inqusition.
Shall we?

Old good days when Earth was flat.
I miss those times.

AlienGrey

Quote from: WhatIsIt on June 22, 2020, 01:24:15 PM
Now,

Lets make a nice big stake fire and burn me,
like in old good days of inqusition.
Shall we?

Old good days when Earth was flat.
I miss those times.
So who were the Elohim (it translates to 'the powerful ones') and the Garden of Eden correctly translates to the garden of animals (is that us)?
so are you still determined to go a head with your wish? don't say there is no proof of that because there is literally tuns of it!


WhatIsIt

Quote from: AlienGrey on June 22, 2020, 01:37:31 PM
So who were the Elohim (it translates to 'the powerful ones') and the Garden of Eden correctly translates to the garden of animals (is that us)?
so are you still determined to go a head with your wish? don't say there is no proof of that because there is literally tuns of it!

No, I am not determined to burn.
But, there are lots of people here who wants to burn me on the stake,
just because I have opinion on my own.
It happened lots of times here to many people.

I am just ready for them to burn me down.
It is normal thing here.

About your Elohim.
Who ever they were, and we were animals to them,
you must understand that we are still animals to them.
I dont think that they changed their minds.

There is reason why this stone still sitting in Baalbeck.
Because humans can not make crane to move it 20km away and dump it.

ramset

Whatisit quote No, I am not determined to burn.end quote.
Good to hear...climb down off that pile we need the wood  !!
please no more Torches and pitchforks....lets turn the page..
thats a Big stooone  :o
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma