Knitel's InfinityPump

[wizkycho]

@ wizkycho,

You must be really thick.

If you have read and understood what I wrote so far you must by now have seen, assuming even a modicum of intelligence, that Knitel's infinity pump is an abortion designed by an idiot who is ignoring the simplest facts of nature. Such a system cannot be made to work!

Your so called investors better be careful because with this project they are bound to lose their money.

Maybe this is the reason you are so belligerent, you can see your little rip-off falling apart.

Hans von Lieven

You'r drawings are close but not same (big difference) to any part in Knitel's InfinityPump (KIP). Where is additional weight applied making underpressure , where is valve that holds water in pipe on it's height.
Still the only thing that applies to KIP is natural paradox pressure.
(but me and many still are in need of an experiment to confirm that it takes huge 50Kg to overcome that pressure to start suction from pipe unde water of only 1cm2 but 5m height)
(or that is needed 10kg on 1m only 1cm2 column to start suction from pipe submerged in water to cylinder of 100cm2)

This infinity pump is just side idea that just bumped in but it, would be much worse if I hadn't shown it and it works (i still would like to see experiment), now it is just a spam mail. but unlike other spam mail with advertising,
credits, pharmacology....... that is real rip off,
this mail,thread, can wait for further idea to develop and solve this paradoxal sticky point (only one).

Let's say I make start pressure zero/cm2 or negative. (now is 500g/cm2) then paradox multiplication dissapears and system is behaving somewhat like a scale ?
weight(floater) now drops fast pumps lot of water and then again input pressure exceeds zero in input and input is again in paradox mode. but inertialy and in total weight in cylinder
I now have enough water+floater height to overcome paradox pressure and pumping goes on. now it is dynamicall

Something like this

if not solved, at least giving you some food for your bouyncy chapter.

Wiz

what to say then people like You just fuell my fire
don't look valves. we now their position.

[hansvonlieven]

@ wizkycho,

If you had read carefully what I wrote about the siphon effect you would have realised by now that a situation as you show in the right hand drawing cannot exist in nature, even if you managed to bring it about in the first place.

Since V2 is above the water level in the trough an imbalance in the system is unavoidable. On opening the valve the water column in the riser tube exerts a stronger downward pressure than the column in the container and drains the container, air enters into the system, an embolism occurs and the siphon effect breaks up. In effect the siphon effect works AGAINST YOU ! End of story.

No system of valves can avoid this.

Hans von Lieven

[AB Hammer]

wizkycho

But what about the bubbles?

[wizkycho]

@ wizkycho,

If you had read carefully what I wrote about the siphon effect you would have realised by now that a situation as you show in the right hand drawing cannot exist in nature, even if you managed to bring it about in the first place.

Since V2 is above the water level in the trough an imbalance in the system is unavoidable. On opening the valve the water column in the riser tube exerts a stronger downward pressure than the column in the container and drains the container, air enters into the system, an embolism occurs and the siphon effect breaks up. In effect the siphon effect works AGAINST YOU ! End of story.

No system of valves can avoid this.

Hans von Lieven

@Hans

column in input pipe drains container , although container has additional weight + weight of water (floater not all the way up) and presssure in input pipe is nullified with pump driven with bouyancy from KIP2 (at least for some time) ?!? this means that input pipe (forget about bouyncy driven pump) has infinity pressure ?!? very strange and impossible cause in that case there would be no exsistant container that can hold any fluid.
If this is what you claim then you haven't understood this new drawing ?
but even so floater can be made to prefere only one direction - down and if pressure is pushing it up it has breaks

.once pump is activated by bouyncy from KIP2 pressure drops to zero
and system is no longer in paradoxal pressure it works now in scale like manner. now weight matters !!!

Now this input presssure is allways same it is 500g/cm2 and if cylinder is much wider bouyancy can be very strong and make device work not in paradox pressure mode but in scale mode where only weight counts and now cylinder is allways heavier. no matter the surface of cylinder the only pressure to overcome is allways 500g/cm2 if 5m height pipe. The only thing that changes is speed of floater fall down. wider cylinder slower falling floater.

@ABhammer

bublles must enter and replace water before weight in cylinder acts (now with help of pump). don't look valves in picture. valves are solved.
water that falls down exserts pressure on entered air and floatersweight with vector to fall down. that is why air comes in to level down that positive (for work) pressure

Wiz

have fun !

[wizkycho]

@Hans @ABhammer

You seem to forget that V1 is one way valve. (withuot pump driven by bouyncy from KIP2,  water column excerts merely 500g/cm2 on V1)
With pump it is negative or zero. so paradox pressure on floater is 0 * cylindersurface= 0 (zero) or - negative. this is a way of solving paradox influence here.

any simmilar (or different) proposals ?

Wiz