New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)

[buzneg]

I wonder how the pop companies put C02 in their product. one things for sure if one doesn't keep a cap on pop it will go flat, so the more presure the better.

things that get air out of water:
-boiling/heat
-vacumme
-stillness, to a less extent

to put air in (HHO), and hold it in
-cool temp
-compression
-mixing

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/webpages/askasci/gen01/gen01419.htm

[pg46]

Just think outloud...

I was thinking about the balloon trick with the burning water. Maybe if the water gets enough hydrogen put into it under pressure via a chemical or electrolysis proccess then when one puts a match to it in normal atmospheric pressure it won't burn. But under pressure as in the balloon trick or as in an ICE cylinder only then it will burn or explode.
If that were the case than how much hydrogen is required in the water in order for it to burn when under compression? It quite brilliant to use simple water as the hydrogen storage medium. Can't get any safer than that.
I wonder at what point the water is saturated with enough hydrogen?

[razasunny54]

Hi,

i think it wudn't b dat hard to store hydroxy gas in water......we can use an electrolysis cell and fill most of it with water so ders not that much air in it....den if we do electrolysis to produce gas......after some time when the pressure is large nuff da gas wud go inside water. we shud do dis for abt 20 min jus so nuff gas is produced in the cell n den most of it goes in the water. Now this water might not ignite under normal conditions....but wen we put it in an internal combustable engine......lets say a 1 cylinder engine, water wud b under pressure which wud force this gas to come out of water n den ignite it.

Thanks
Raza

[Bruce_TPU]

Hey guys, great posts. 
Here is some information that may help.  The process is called "supersaturation" if you want to learn how to "supersaturate" water with any type of gas.  It our case, pure hydrogen and pure oxygen.  Below is an item that can be shrunk in building your own, and placed in a container and pressurized with the electrolysis process.  I am a shrimp farmer, and know all about aquaculture and supersaturation, or if I do not know, I know where to find out the info. 

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The benefits of using pure oxygen in aquaculture are well documented and include higher productivity and healthier fish. When dissolved oxygen levels are high, fish experience less stress, improved feeding, better growth rates, and reduced disease.
Sweetwater? oxygen cones from Aquatic Eco-Systems may be used to supersaturate recirculated water with oxygen. Their simple design makes them easy to install and operate. In fact, once installed the cones are virtually maintenance free.
How Do They Work?
Operation of the cone is simple: as water and gas (either pure oxygen, ozone or other gas) enter from the top at a relatively high velocity, the water shears and moves the bubbles downward. As the cone widens the velocity is reduced. The undissolved bubbles keep returning to the top, so only water without bubbles can exit the bottom. Note that gas transfer efficiencies of up to 100% are possible. At higher pressures, the dissolved oxygen concentration may be increased significantly above saturation. For example, a Sweetwater? cone operating at only 10 psi can deliver water with a dissolved oxygen concentration above 25 mg/l. This is something that is not possible with an aeration system and diffusers, where much of the oxygen will rise to the surface and simply bubble off into the atmosphere.
Sweetwater? cones may be operated at a pressure of up to 21 psi. See the related table for the oxygen transfer rates of Sweetwater? cones operated at various temperatures and pressures.
Oxygen Cone Applications
Sweetwater? oxygen cones may be used with high water pressure in a ?side stream? application where only a portion of the total flow is highly supersaturated with oxygen. This water with high dissolved oxygen levels is then mixed with the main water flow before returning to the grow-out tank. Another method involves the use of cones at low water pressure. This provides excellent control of dissolved oxygen levels where the total water flow is only slightly supersaturated.

In addition to the oxygen cone, there are a few other equipment items required for operation of the system. These include:
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? Oxygen flow meter, pressure gauge, and valve?to check oxygen flow to the cone.
? Oxygen monitoring equipment?to monitor dissolved oxygen levels.
?Water pump, piping, flanges and pipe fittings?required to pressurize the cone.
? Water outlet valve?to regulate the operating pressure within the cone.
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[Bruce_TPU]

A couple of more simple fact to help you experiment with this idea.  I for one think that it is a novel concept.  Personally, I believe that Ryan used chemistry to add more hydrogen to the water, but perhaps not.

1. Temperature: Oxygen, like all gases, is more soluble at lower temperatures, so generally the colder the water, the more oxygen it can hold!
2. Altitude/ Atmospheric Pressure: The higher the air pressure, the more oxygen that water can hold. Water at sea level can hold more oxygen than water found in a lake in the Cascade Mts. You can see this by pouring a cold soda pop into an open glass. If you let the soda pop sit on the table, you begin to see bubbles leave the pop and enter the air because there is less pressure to keep it in the water. Eventually, the soda pop goes flat.....in other words, it has lost all of its carbonation (carbon dioxide).
3.  The greater the distance (depth) the bubble (hydrogen and Oxygen) the greater the time spent interacting with the water.  1 ft of water, terrible interaction. (enough for a gold fish yes, but not to supersaturate the water.  4 feet depth, better.  10 feet depth, much better.  One could hook the output of your WFC to a fine bubble airstone purchased at any pet store, and place that at the bottom of a 10' lenght of 1" pvc filled with flat or distilled (better) water.  Cap the top and bubble away, keeping the pressure about 20-30 psi.  Do this for about 45 minutes.  Pour your water into a SEALED container and test it.

For meaningful interpretation of dissolved oxygen levels two pieces of information are required, the amount of oxygen dissolved in the water sample, measured in mg/L, and the temperature of the stream at the time DO was measured. With these, the perecent saturation of the oxygen in the water can be determined.

Thanks for your continued perserverance!