Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[ramset]

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow

[Bobbotov]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow

For what are you eating crow?

[Rosphere]

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So I find it very odd that the fear of suppression which seems to be pervasive with FE/OU proponents is actually being sought by the very same groups that cry that they are being suppressed. Is this not a blatant double standard?
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No.  You answered your own question:

...This does not mean that it is a free for all and some level of decorum is obviously necessary to prevent chaos but that should not include those voices who merely point out things that some do not wish to hear.

We have a responsibility to identify and suppress suppression.  Intelligent moderation is the key and I assume that this is no easy task.

1. Name calling is obvious grounds for suppression.

2. Accusations of hoaxing that lack specific technical examples should also be suppressed.

3. Excessively large numbers of repetitive posts, (skeptical or supportive,) by any one individual that add no new value, make it difficult and time consuming for us to glean out the few unique thought provoking posts.  A daily post limit on any one topic seems unfair but, without this, moderating becomes a full time job.

4. Off-topic posts that add no value should simply be deleted.  Your post and my response here should both be deleted because you and I are not addressing the topic.

@wattsup, if you delete this, my, post then that will be the end of it.  I will not be posting a complaint about your decision due to item 4 above.

[wattsup]

@markdansie

Thanks for your post and your previous post a few pages earlier did not go unnoticed.  This post is not oriented to you in particular so please do not feel singled out in any way.

Some like @TK may want to pay attention here.

Third party whatever is NOT OUR PROBLEM. This belongs to Mylow to decide whenever he is ready to do so, that is fine with me and with builders also. I don't give a damn about any type of verification because it will not help the builders. IT WILL ONLY CREATE MORE HAVOC and keep us away from the magnets and the wheel.

THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HELP THE BUILDERS IS STAYING IN GOOD RELATIONS WITH MYLOW AND TALKING MAGNETS AND WHEELS. THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL.

That's why we are on this forum called OVERUNITY DOT COM. That's why it is not call OVERUNITY NOT COM. We decide to do a build and talk with the inventor and get the right insights to making it work. This forum has to be the one place in the world where he is NOT attacked on a daily basis otherwise we are no better then the rest of them.

"Yeh but we have seen others in the past come and make claims". So what. Why are we here anyways? You think your rules HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. Screw that man. We deal with what we have once we decide to do so. You don't like it, lump it, digest it, or dump it. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS REALITY. Not based on anyone dictates like a bunch of dictators of how things must be to be accepted. Accepted by who? Proffering insults behind the scientific banner. Bull shit. If you don't accept it for what it is, that's your problem.

We are here to help the inventor with his disclosure, trying to get him to feel comfortable enough to start providing the right information. Making a place where he is both happy and eager to come back. How the hell are we supposed to accomplish this by treating the guy like a conman. Why should non builders have this right. We have been doing this for many years now and do not need lessons from smart asses on how to treat an inventor.

It is clear that the sole purpose of some members here is the conman game. That's all they are interested in. That's all they want to do is prove Mylow is a con. Fine, just go do it on another forum. On this forum, guys put their money on the table and look forward to good relations with the inventor. We don't give a hoot about anything else. You want to worry about hands and feet and whatever, that's your problem, not ours. We have past that stage already.

In the very first pages of this thread, everything was already accomplished for the builders. Enough was put on the table for us to decide, build or no build, talk or not talk, continue this or stop this, makes sense or does not makes sense. Once that decision has been made by builders, no one has the right to play around here to f*&k things up.

Members wanna swing their bats on the guy, fine. You have a right to do so, but do it elsewhere, not on this forum. We know how to offer criticism with respect, we know how to argue with respect, we know how to get things done all with respect for the inventor. I would not expect any less if I or any other member was in Mylows shoes.

We could have done and accomplished so much more here without the crassness of words and qualifications.

Lots of members may be to recent here to know that we have kicked off pestering negatives for MUCH LESS then the latitude that is permitted on the forum today. We have kicked and banned some TOP NOTCH brains because they just had one fault. Continuous pestering. If I was to put the value of 1 to the past tolerance level on this forum, today we have reached 7 or 8 easy.

@Stefan

It is time. The forum is now moved successfully but now we have to make a stand and take a decision.

[RunningBare]

I second this, I've watched the efforts of some superb replicators go to waste because of time spent on an obvious hoax, and remember we do know this happens, Archer Quinn is a good example.
I'm not here to subvert or stop people doing the things they choose to do, but I do hope that if I spot obvious flaws then I'm permitted to point out those flaws so that people can make informed choices, yes I have a little fun sometimes just as TK does, life can be far too serious sometimes.

@Wattsup
You can ban/delete my posts, but it will not change anything, accept that you will not have to read my posts, but this is not about you, this is about everyone involved, as already pointed out, you are not suited as a moderator because you are unfairly biased, btw, I would like to just make one point, I have never ever been abusive to anyone on this forum, but I saw your threat as abusive, if a moderator is to give warnings to individuals then it should be done via PM with a copy sent to the owner of the site.

There is a big difference between supporting OU endeavors and supporting an all PMM fraud. I think what TK is doing is supporting genuine FE or OU research and at the same time exposing the fraudulous claims. In this later category belong all passive PMM claims including past, present, and future.

There is no contradiction in TK's position. One can believe in OU and yet distance himself from PMM frauds. For example, I think we will have an OU device sometimes soon, except that it will not come in the form of an all passive PMM.

You can moderate, ban, and close threads but the truth will survive. Mylow will be exposed for what he is as there has never been and there will never be a real PMM.

Miki out.