Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[newbie123]

asking you for your data twice isn't being rude. you're the one who is still avoiding the 2 simple questions posed to you. which could be considered to be rude...
re: "haven't seen any efficiency measurements in awhile"
you didn't keep your math? 

in a nutshell it comes down to:
1) do you, or do you not, have your math that shows the over faraday measurements that you claimed to have seen were, in actuality, erroneous?
2) do you, or do you not have details about the efficiency of the boyce101 to add to this thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7453.msg177980#msg177980 i created for you to "get into the details"?

i really don't think you have either, but there's your thread to prove me wrong.

...Check your new thread, Wilby. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7453.msg177987;topicseen#msg177987

[jibbguy]

Maybe i'm getting grumpy or pedantic in my old age, but i'm really sick and tired of those who attempt to to piss all over the work and memory of great men and women who tried to make a real difference in this world. Dr. Kanzius' discoveries have the potential to change this planet. 

Here is a seldom-seen follow-up news report from the Cleveland station showing the verification at Penn State, with over a dozen scientists observing the phenomena:

http://www.wkyc.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=690385132

Lol, check out the ending statement about "Cold Fusion".. It's a hoot!

In the earlier Chnl 3 news report, APV Laboratory of Akron Ohio was cited; along with two of their engineers, John White and Edward Apsega, who verified the claims on film for the record. These two, plus the dozen scientists at Penn State, the people at the Erie location, and several other prominent scientists over the years who observed the phenomena are what we call: "VERIFICATIONS".

And they beat hell out of biased (and dead wrong) opinions every time.

[newbie123]

Here is a seldom-seen follow-up news report from the Cleveland station showing the verification at Penn State, with over a dozen scientists observing the phenomena:

http://www.wkyc.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=690385132

That's the most promising and believable video I've seen on Kanzius salt water burning so far... Nice!   But more replications/verifications are probably needed to make it accepted by sciencists, etc.

[Farrah Day]

As already stated I personally don't believe this to be a hoax, but contrary to what Jibbguy says, all reports are lacking in crucial detail, with the science behind it being only speculative.  This may well be because the science is not yet - or a least wasn't then - understood. But while these important and very crucial details are of no concern to the layman or uneducated - who would be non-the-wiser with them - the more informed may see this omission as suspicious - hence the skepticism.

In that clip it says they tested a 100 or so test tubes - assuming they were doping water with various compounds and electolytes, I'd love to know those results.

We must assume that by now, the reactions taking place will have been figured out - I mean it's not rocket science... well, no, er... yes, perhaps it is!

But anyway, to reiterate my earlier sentiments, it is the science that is breakthrough and of most interest, not how efficient the process is - that can wait until the science is fully understood.

[newbie123]

Here is another good article on the experimental verification at Penn state.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070913-burning-water.html


And a discussion on a chemistry  forum about the process.. It seems they don't know for sure.. I didn't read the whole thread though.
http://hypography.com/forums/chemistry/15804-kanzius-effect-rf-induced-flame-saltwater.html