Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[Farrah Day]

I'm away for a few weeks now, but just to add some food for thought before I go.

On giving things some further consideration, and after talking with Loner, I'm rather inclined to think that there could be real promise in pursuing TPU's and the Stiffler ccts.

This is because all of the WFC set ups that claim to be achieving higher than expected efficiencies seem to utilise inductors of some sort.  Whilst I'm not a proponent of OU, I do not dismiss the possibility that we can extract some energy from the space around us - after all, it is not only composed of the EM from our star, but also our planets magnetic field and indeed cosmic radiation. We are literally drenched in potential energy.

To my mind this would be an ocean of 'free' energy for us to dip into should we just figure out how to do it.

Build a TPU or Stiffler device and incorporate it into an efficient WFC and we might see real results. Check out the TPU forum threads, and Stiffler.  This possibly adds some credence to WFC's that utilise inductor ccts and pulsing, and might very well explain the claimed higher efficiencies.

Loner, if your looking in, when I get back I'm going to design and build a TPU to experiment with. Problem is I don't have much to go on in terms of what I would be trying to achieve and hence exactly what I would be trying to design... so your input will be greatly appreciated.

Would be great if we both built a unit so we could compare notes as we go. Understandably it might be better to start a new thread over at the TPU site... anyway see you in a few weeks.

[L505]

@Jibby

You see me as a negative so-called nay-sayer, whereas in fact I simply have a reserve of healthy skepticism.

Finally someone with sense on these forums. So many quacktards. Just a few gems in the bucket.

[jibbguy]

Lol a more obvious example of "baiting" i have never seen, and i've seen quite a few.

The funny part is, the harder they try the more ridiculous it looks to everyone else

[HeairBear]

Enjoy your holiday!

[llewgnal]

Yes, I do tend to like to start at the beginning.

There is nothing wrong with Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis, and there never will be. Faraday's Law simply takes into account every electron - every ion charge exchange - so it cannot be wrong. However, there is no stipulation that electrons have to be provided solely by the power supply - which tends to be where we measure current flow from.

Everyone knows of the simple chemical equation for electrolysis of water (or hydrolysis), but this does not take into account the action of an electrolyte in the process.

This I totally agree with this. Most people know how to achieve the required reaction in either hydrolysis or electroplating, etc, but not many people fully understand the mechanics of it all. Electrolysis of water might ultimately be just the dissociation of the water molecule via the passage of an electric current in order to produce hydrogen and oxygen, but this statement is extremely over-simplified to say the least and gives no insight into all the processes involved. 

Scientists are still puzzling over water, so it's not surprising that there are still unknowns even to something seemingly so elementry as hydrolysis.  I don't think anyone fully understands what effect passing a electric current through water has on water molecule cluster sizes or how these effect the mechanisim by which the H+ ion travels from water molecule to water molecule and cluster to cluster.

I believe many questions will be answered once the science behind the Kanzius discovery becomes known and detailed to the general scientific community.

Even then I think that Faraday's Laws will apply if the reactions involve charge exchanges - which surely they must - but how can you relate it to a power source that is providing no electrons?

Every electrolyser built will abide by Faraday's Laws, it's just that some will be very efficient, while others will not.  As well as all the variables involved in cell design, even adding electrolyte alters the electrolysis initiation voltage, so most people will never be running an electrolyser at maximum efficiency.

For any given electrolyser to be running at maximum efficiency, you would have to have the individual cells at exactly the minimum voltage in order to initiate electrolysis, cell electrode spacing would need to be optimum as would the plate area.

All that said, I think that there may well be a less power hungry way in which to increase the ionisation of water, which of course is the first step in the process.

Any law that says there is a limit to something is made to be broken, such as the speed of light has been broken...