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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Grimer

Quote from: Philip Hardcastle on April 07, 2009, 05:23:20 AM
@Aquariuz
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Phyics is physics, sometimes slightly wrong, sometimes yet to be discovered but wheels and weights hold no possible surprises.

If it works then you will be in for a nice treat, the nicest surprise of all, an impossible surprise.

I do envy you, ;D
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

spinner

Quote from: Grimer on April 07, 2009, 04:05:41 AM
The way one can be received by internal servos can easily be demonstrated in the case of rotational inertia by filling a black box with free running gyros in gimbals. If the gimbals are free then it is easy to rotate the box. Lock the gimbals and the rotational inertia (mass if you didn't understand what mass really is and didn't know what was going on) increases enormously.

OK.

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Likewise, any decent engineer could devise a railway waggon where if you pushed against it with a force of 1 pound, release of gyro energy would drive the wheels with a force of 1000 pounds.
The human pusher would be deceived into thinking that the mass of the carriage was far less than in reality since he would judge the mass from the acceleration produced by the force he applied. He would  not realise that the energy he was putting in was merely a control energy which was being multiplied a thousand times by the machinery inside the waggon.

Frank, you're a "decent engineer", so you can "devise" that wagon of yours all by yourself..
Or, at least provide some serious data to back up this experiment...

You can use a "gyro fairy" to spinn all the gyros which will then propell (tricky mechanism, but as Grimer says, any engineer can solve this...) the wagon only by a slight push of some external force.... No need for a locomotive? If I understand this correctly, i could push the wagon (?) all by myself? As long as the gyros are spinning? 1000:1 "gain"?
That would be something...

Either I don't understand what you're saying here, or your "wagon case" is simply wrong...
Cheers!
"Ex nihilo nihil"

oscar

Hi AquariuZ,
thanks for getting involved and thanks for posting your wm2d file.
I also think that Sjack has designed his logo for a reason and I think it depicts the path of the weights in his system.

I think that the dots in his logo should be interpreted as parts of a chain (= links of a chain).

Obviously the weights (= links of the chain) which are pulled up through the middle of the wheel, do not create torque whereas the weights on the rim of the wheel create torque and lead to rotation of the wheel.

The problem where I am stuck in my mind, is how to create a 'mechanical interface' which pulls/puts the chain onto the rim of the wheel at 12 o' clock.

I wish you success with your next simulation.

PS: if Sjack wants to slow down the wheel, it may be a good idea to do it with a pendulum which he can link to the wheel as Bessler did.
see right side of
http://www.orffyre.com/Weissenstein1.jpg
In this way he can force the rotation of the wheel into a fixed rhythm.
The transmission was a '53 (Johnny Cash)

Cherryman

I Think slowing the wheel down is a minor problem, just increase the load.  Connect more generatos or a gearbox .. So when it wants to spin out of control you increase the resistance, wich will also supply more energy or heat.. So that is a win-win situation.

( Or am i missing something?)

Philip Hardcastle

@aquariuz

Reality check required.

The search for alternate energy must at least have some logic.

If someone calims to have a working device and claims the energy comes from, say, zero point energy, then it deserves looking at.

If it might come from thermal, or some 22 dimensional vortex then we should try to see if it might be so, even if it does not easily gel in our minds.

But this device does not give any hint of any claim of it coming from a theoretical source, just a claim it comes from common, everyday gravity........

Logic says 1=1 and for gravity (weights) potential enerrgy is m x g x h. Nothing magical here, simple arithmetic. So whatever you do you simply transfer potential energy to kinetic and back to potential with frictional losses slowly bringing things to a halt.

If there is no logic or hope then why do people want to make FE look like mumbo jumbo.

Let us search for real ideas / theories and investigate claims based upon common sense.

Phil