Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Cloxxki]

Now the struggle is to have a nice little AutoLISP routine to calculate the torques automatically. Not only this would avoid the tedious job of decomposing vectors and other calculations but also will increase accuracy. We need this to be able to quantify the effect more accurately and to optimize the design for maximizing the output so that it can overwhelm the friction.

If you are so highly impressed with Abeling's apparent invention as presented in his patent application, why would you sepnd your valueble time on proving it's validy as perpetuum mobile? You are offering your services to Abeling for free, no-one can benifit from it until he starts offering lower-cost energy with it.

After centuries of persuing PPM's, why don't we for now consider Abeling's invention one, and go ahead finding a way to legally work around his patent's claims in creating an even better, open source solution?

We'd need to:
- Pin-point WHY Abeling's invention works, where others like it didn't
- Define the circumstances where gravity can be used to obtain overunity
- Find new designs, not using any of Abeling's claims

[Cloxxki]

@Cloxxki,

I didn't know this forum is a United Nations summit to negotiate nuclear disarmament.

Haha, of course it's not. But as clearly a more educated man than I am (who isn't), you will surely be able to take the hint with a wink.
Let's get this thread moving, or make a new one to bring the world FREE over unity, still in 2009. Great minds working together, each in their respective specialty.

[Omnibus]

@Cloxxki,

If you are so highly impressed with Abeling's apparent invention as presented in his patent application, why would you sepnd your valueble time on proving it's validy as perpetuum mobile? You are offering your services to Abeling for free, no-one can benifit from it until he starts offering lower-cost energy with it.

Abeling’s invention rehashes well known principles for constructing such machines. So far, however, to the best of my knowledge, rigorous proof for the reality of perpetuum mobile hasn’t been shown. This is is the first time such proof is provided (for continuous production of excess energy; discontinuous production of excess energy, violating CoE has already been shown elsewhere). All we know so far about the workings of such devices are incoherent ramblings such as those of Dismanek or completely unjustified fascist ban on research in this area imposed by governmental organizations such as the French Academy of Sciences (or whatever its exact name is). If you’re concerned with the money Abeling would earn, relax. Abeling or anybody for that matter, dealing with such machines won’t earn any money from them. As I said before, these machines are as much as anti-business as anything can get. The most important thing that has to be done in this area is to prove it definitively according to the scientific principles, that is, exactly what we’re doing here and try to find ways to optimize the effect. The actual constructing of the wheel comes after that as with everything else scientific. This is a very favorable scientific case whereby we are not to rely on luck or serendipitous occurrences to discover the phenomenon. This phenomenon, turns out, can be handled explicitly theoretically and its reality can be proved first on paper, as has already been done.

After centuries of persuing PPM's, why don't we for now consider Abeling's invention one, and go ahead finding a way to legally work around his patent's claims in creating an even better, open source solution?

We'd need to:
- Pin-point WHY Abeling's invention works, where others like it didn't
- Define the circumstances where gravity can be used to obtain overunity
- Find new designs, not using any of Abeling's claims

Like I said, Abeling’s device isn’t the issue here. These devices have been known for centuries and they have worked but have been suppressed by the powers that be. So far, up until now, there hasn’t been a rigorous scientific proof for their reality. Now we have the rigorous scientific proof and we have to work on further studying it and optimizing the construction.

[i_ron]

Funny how some people have a chip on their shoulder and don’t hide it. Where is the list of the correct concepts, such as @eisenficker2000’s, for example,…
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Because it would be such a short list people might miss it, lol

Besides, I am not of the opinion the eisenficker's concept is
correct. The OD of the weight seems to be on the ramp and
not the axle for example and if the forces were correctly stated then there should be an RPM reading given so as to
indicate at what speed the readings were applicable.

Glad you saw the humor of my list! Fortunately I have broad
shoulders and can carry the chip load as a perpetuum mobile!

Ron

[Cloxxki]

Alright then, while we're looking at Abeling's and -like devices...should we not try and set up an agenda, and work from there?

Vital in my humble opinion towards getting someone's replication to work, at any scale:
deciding what the ramps are exactly used for, and then optimize the ramps and slots to maximize this effect
a) They are to use the weight's energy at 6:00 to give the wheel a nice nudge in the back, and at the same time taking a low-torque upward trajection along the axle.
b) Use the weight's top speed (result from a low-torque situation on the other weight?) to gain serious height (radial advantage I called it, not knowling better) while off the wheel, to have the wheel only do half or less of the work in lifting it back to 12:00.
c) some of both?

Before we have this clear, any setup will be guesswork, until the torque figures have been investigated.
c) A bit of both

Another idea.
What if Abeling is planning to completely do away with weight bearings.
What about glass surface weights zipping along glass tracks, in a chamber filled with foamy lubricant? The image of a glass holder for a lead weight, over a glass floor in green soap...just seems pretty frictionless. Polish once, administer soapy solution or some sort of PTFE all the time, and have a silent low-friction setup.