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What does a "kick" look like on an oscilloscope?

Started by Grumpy, April 29, 2009, 09:51:01 AM

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poynt99

"The pulse" can be seen by anyone that wants to try the bifilar experiment outlined by spherics. All it takes is the right equipment, a little technical know-how, and understanding of the experiment and what one is looking for.

EM, your requirements are satisfied by this test.

There are some care and feeding subtleties of this test of which I won't go into, and Peter has been more than too generous and forthcoming already.

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wings

Quote from: Peterae on July 21, 2009, 03:25:22 AM
Now that is interesting.
First off it was me that discovered the pulse not Poynt.

The pulse was first found using a OTPU former with a Bifilar wound on the 4 quarters.
Here's a picture
http://rapidshare.com/files/258230720/PulsePicBifilarPeterae.JPG

And the scope video that goes with it
http://rapidshare.com/files/258234970/Video21BifilarWirePeterae.asf

The interesting thing i found, was when i switched to a single wire being driven by both the non delayed fet and delayed fet, i found delays that would cause my cpu to suffer from crashes and would also cause my fet's to fire much more often than they should, with one delay setting i was getting loud explosion noises from inside the coil.
The coil was 22 loose turns on a wooden former, the explosions could be heard upto about 5 feet away from my bench.
I have also heard these explsoions before sometime ago but inside a ferrite core when i was injecting Fundamental 2nd and 3rd harmonics into a coil.

Here's a video of the coil noise, a mike is close to the coil to record the sound.
You will see from the yellow trace(current) that the explosion noise only occurs when the voltage (Red Trace) is equal to or below 0 volts.

http://rapidshare.com/files/258232027/Kick1SinglewirePeterae.asf

In an attempt to study this effect i built a new controller that was screened heavily, although this did stop the retriggering under 100v it also ofcourse stopped the false triggering of the fets and hence stopped the explosions.

Peter

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giantkiller

Pulse the smaller primary with the kick inducing protocol in the resonant frequency of the larger secondary load coil and you achieve the drive of the prime mover.

--giantkiller.

giantkiller

This is dead on.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 20, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
I appreciate all the effort and the experimental results posted here.  I wish I could of participated earlier on.  Please hear me out.

Look once again at the relevant text from SM:

Notice what the kick is a result of:

(INRUSH CURRENT) + (WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH) = KICK

I'm not sure how to state it more plainly then to say the kick is an imparting of momentum to the filament.  Just like a coil in a magnetic field MOVES, so does the filament, it moves when it is forced to move "in a quick sharp short duration" by an impulse  or (force x time)

If you have a DC current on a filament in a magnetic field, it will deflect to one side and stay there, but won't oscillate at it's natural frequency (based on how thin, long and stiff it is).

Another analogy, take a hammer and hit a bell to make it ring, you just "KICKED" the bell. 

That is what a KICK is according to SM,  and I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but not listening to what he says can be a waste of time.  All your research is great and applies to something I'm sure.

You see, were dealing with PHYSICAL motion of the coils, that's why there is vibration in the TPUs, and that's why there is cork material in the center of the large TPUs (to allow vibration and not dampen it).   And that's why magnets are needed, they have a stronger magnetic field and when current + magnetic field are COMBINED, motion and vibration occurs, due to the lorentz force law.  We hear that in the videos of the small TPU on a glass table.  Is anybody listening?

EM

P.S. and I explained before why mechanical vibration is used, it has very ... very ... very ... high Q,  if you want to convince yourselves,  scope a LC tank circuit after it is stimulated with a square signal and you will see it decay in approximately microseconds, or maybe milliseconds, but that is short compared to the duration of ringing after hitting an object, like a bell, or a glass, or a tunning fork, and hearing it ring for a few seconds !!  The longer something rings, given an equivalent input of energy, the lower the dampening forces or "resistance" in the "circuit", and that means high Q.   So what do you do with a high Q receiver?   You can tune and amplify signals to large values, that's what.   If you have a Q of 100 000, and your loop can pick up 1 mV without resonance, then with the high Q resonance that value would be (1 mV) X (100 000) = 100 Volts.   So that's how it works.  And of course there could be the on setting of rotation and wobbling in the rings or coils which produces a DC output, or magnitostriciton is the high Q phenomena used, all questions to be answered in time.

lltfdaniel1

A kick is a mere cavity where it extracts zpe.

If you read this and compare as this deals with harmonics.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/10316855/Magnetic-Resonant-Amplifier regarding high q of the electric..is where you basicly tap it.
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