Overunity.com Archives is Temporarily on Read Mode Only!



Free Energy will change the World - Free Energy will stop Climate Change - Free Energy will give us hope
and we will not surrender until free energy will be enabled all over the world, to power planes, cars, ships and trains.
Free energy will help the poor to become independent of needing expensive fuels.
So all in all Free energy will bring far more peace to the world than any other invention has already brought to the world.
Those beautiful words were written by Stefan Hartmann/Owner/Admin at overunity.com
Unfortunately now, Stefan Hartmann is very ill and He needs our help
Stefan wanted that I have all these massive data to get it back online
even being as ill as Stefan is, he transferred all databases and folders
that without his help, this Forum Archives would have never been published here
so, please, as the Webmaster and Creator of these Archives, I am asking that you help him
by making a donation on the Paypal Button above.
You can visit us or register at my main site at:
Overunity Machines Forum



Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 332 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hoppy

Quote from: forest on November 21, 2012, 12:54:55 PM
The one and obvious question : can you fool clamp meter ?  ::) I don't think so, that's why I have thrown away some theories, because of this assumption. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes!

From Wikipedia: Less-expensive clamp meters use a rectifier circuit which actually reads mean current, but is calibrated to display the RMS current corresponding to the measured mean, giving a correct RMS reading only if the current is a sine wave. For other waveforms readings will be incorrect; when these simpler meters are used with non-sinusoidal loads such as the ballasts used with fluorescent lamps or high-intensity discharge lamps or most modern computer and electronic equipment, readings can be quite inaccurate. Meters which respond to true RMS rather than mean current are described as "true RMS".

forest

Quote from: Hoppy on November 21, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
Yes!

From Wikipedia: Less-expensive clamp meters use a rectifier circuit which actually reads mean current, but is calibrated to display the RMS current corresponding to the measured mean, giving a correct RMS reading only if the current is a sine wave. For other waveforms readings will be incorrect; when these simpler meters are used with non-sinusoidal loads such as the ballasts used with fluorescent lamps or high-intensity discharge lamps or most modern computer and electronic equipment, readings can be quite inaccurate. Meters which respond to true RMS rather than mean current are described as "true RMS".

Well, did you tested such cheap clamp meters ? Unfortunately mine is damaged , but wouldn't it measure fluctuating current in case of high frequency ? Something like DMM near the spark gap ?

Hoppy

Quote from: forest on November 21, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Well, did you tested such cheap clamp meters ? Unfortunately mine is damaged , but wouldn't it measure fluctuating current in case of high frequency ? Something like DMM near the spark gap ?

Yes. Using a DMM near a spark gap is a no-no.

TinselKoala

There are many ways to "fool" clamp meters.... such as clamping them on the wrong wire, for example, like a certain Italian cold fusion claimant has done. The frequency and waveform response issue only affects those who try to use these meters.... honestly.

However, anyone who depends on the readings from a clampon meter, no matter how "true RMS" or expensive it is.... to support "overunity" or "free energy" measurements is going a bit too far. Only a proper instantaneous power measurement, integrated over a reasonably long time period to give an _energy flow_ during that time, should be used for support of "overunity" claims. This type of measurement can't be made with clampon meters, "Kill-a-Watt" inline power meters, or such. It needs real power analyzers like the Clarke-Hess, and/or proper oscilloscope measurements of instantaneous voltage and current, using either actual current probes with good HF response (very expensive) or monitoring current by voltage drop across a current-viewing precision resistor (very difficult to do properly with high-frequency or complex oscillating waveforms.)

xenomorphlabs

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 21, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
There are many ways to "fool" clamp meters.... such as clamping them on the wrong wire, for example, like a certain Italian cold fusion claimant has done. The frequency and waveform response issue only affects those who try to use these meters.... honestly.

However, anyone who depends on the readings from a clampon meter, no matter how "true RMS" or expensive it is.... to support "overunity" or "free energy" measurements is going a bit too far. Only a proper instantaneous power measurement, integrated over a reasonably long time period to give an _energy flow_ during that time, should be used for support of "overunity" claims. This type of measurement can't be made with clampon meters, "Kill-a-Watt" inline power meters, or such. It needs real power analyzers like the Clarke-Hess, and/or proper oscilloscope measurements of instantaneous voltage and current, using either actual current probes with good HF response (very expensive) or monitoring current by voltage drop across a current-viewing precision resistor (very difficult to do properly with high-frequency or complex oscillating waveforms.)

All i can say is "EXACTLY".Insufficient measurement considerations are the cause for nearly all OU-false alarms.