Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[Pirate88179]

Jeanna:

This is probably a great idea!  You mean to say take some smaller caps, maybe 1F or less and "quickly" fill them and then dump that into big cap....rinse and repeat.  Is this correct?  The only issue I see is how to keep the higher level energy in the big cap once it surpasses the level of the small one/s?  I hate using diodes for this as it will waste some of our precious energy.  For some reason still unknown to me, I don't need them on my EER to B-cap circuit. I would still really like to know why though.

This is a great idea Jeanna.

Bill

[electricme]

@cosmicfarmer

@electricme

Good luck on your project! that seems like the way to go.  Active systems pull the real amps from the ground, but are the most tricky to get right.  I thought a MOT was a transistor and in your drawing it seems like an inductor, but thats just me being confused.


I am "done" with my ground power station for now and have had it outside charging for 24 hours so far.  Basically, its 4 high frequency bridges tied to 4 650f 2.5v supercaps in parallel, and a switch knocks them out of the circuit and into series.  Around the caps is a metallic mass that is excited by a SEC Exciter that is powered from a solar panel through a JT.  The excited mass around the caps is supposed to interact with the ground and draw more charge into the caps.  Dr. Stiffler was showing dramatic charging in such the same manner, however he used a power supply and smaller caps.  The solar panels put out much less power then his setup, however its "free" energy.  I think the setup I have is more like a turbo that is active during the day, while charging still occurs during the night.

I think the mega capacitance I am offering the tiny one foot ground rods is keeping my charge speed low.  That, and I have not tinkered with the depth of the rods at all, and I think they are somewhat parallel. If you saw my EB to SCOPE video you know the layout of the rods.

I shorted the caps and installed the box outside.  One hour later the caps had rebounded to .012 volts or 12 milivolts.  After that, during the night, I saw a charge speed of 2 milivolts every hour.  During the day, charge speed seemed to have quadrupled, but I still after a whole day don't even have a half a volt. 

The SEC turbo seems to be working.  If I could store solar energy in a cap for night time, then I would be cooking with nitrous.  It would be interesting to see what my charge speeds would look like if I had the solar panel go straight to the caps instead of the way I have it now, to see which way is more efficient.  I believe I need the ladder filter as the capstone of this device, as that seems to unleash the SEC.

I am sure if I take a few caps out then I could charge faster, but of course I would be giving up amps.  Right now this "earth battery" seems something you set up and then go on vacation, and when you get back you have something to play with. 

Later, when I actually get a decent dipole formed, I am planning on making a CFL + Jouletheif port for the energy, and battery charger - you switch which one you want.  Ground light or Ground battery?  You decide.

On a side note I wound a big JT coil. About 20 feet of wire on each A and B side and the thing sings like a solid state bedini on twelve volts, with only a volt as input.  I seriously think JT and Ground battery (EER?) need to be married. they compliment each other.

Allright thanks for your time.

I will post a pretty graph when I am done with the readings, but right now

The MOT is a Microwave Oven Transformer.
I am just tinkering around with them for a bit, but so far, I have a lot of respect for them.
The Primary is 240v, the Secondary is 2,000volts (thats if you use it as it is supposed to be used).
The secondary winding, is attatched to EARTH. That wire MUST be removed from it's earth joint, before it can be used in experiments.


I removed the wire that comes out of the 1st layer of the 2Kv coil, which is attatched to the transformers earth lug, then slipped some insulation spagethi over this wire, then glued the wire back and out to the side of the coil.

To test the MOT.
Arrange the secondary wires with a 1mm gap between the ends.
Feed 12v DC off a battery into the primary, you should see a spark jump between the secondary 1mm gap.
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I carn't see Utube videos unless they are 30 seconds or less, its a Dialup feed thing.
I have signed up for satellite broadband, but the installers are dragging the chain, I dont know when they are going to turn up, although all the equipment is in the installers shop, but I don't know who the installer is, grrrr.

jim

[Pirate88179]

Jim:

Great to see you Mate!  I was wondering how you were doing down there.

Hey, just go pick-up that Sat. dish from their shop and put it in yourself.  I am confident you would do not only a faster job of it much sooner, but it would be done better as well.

That high speed will make quite a difference for you, it opened a new world for me when I dropped dial-up a few years back.

Bill

[Cosmicfarmer]

@electricme
For someone in your position, do you have cell phone service? those horrible cell phone towers..... Might be able to give you broadband from a phone.   Thats what my friend did in the navy when we were at sea, he was the only one able to check his mail!  Hopefully that dish comes soon.  Yeah install it yourself.  Just show up at the company with your truck and load up your gear..

@pirate
I think I might have added too much stuff :-)  "KISS" Keep it simple... 

@Jeanna
I'm still learning from you. This is interesting stuff.

When I tried only 1 cap in the bank, it charged up like Jeanna said but with all 4 its dragging tail more then I thought. It has been freezing and raining and I don't think the earth currents are too happy where I am right now.  I will remove 2 caps from the charging side next and see if that cant help things, but before I do that, I am going to tinker with the height of the ground rods next.



The idea was to make the inputs as robust as possible - if I didn't want 2 grounds possibly I could use an aerial and a ground or just one ground...    I would like to actualize a something that charges up from the ground that can compete with solar. 

Allright There seems to be a mental block from keeping me remembering certain things...

Let me get this straight (for the 99th time)

( + ) Copper, carbon, North Deeper? 
( - ) Aluminum, -- steel, zinc, magnesium, South, Shallower?    (northern hemi)
-EDIT I HAD IT BACKWARDS! WIKIPEDIA TOLD ME.-
-Again Edit-   ...     see?   The above should be correct?

My declination is computed out to 10.38 degrees (west) and I was glad to find out my backyard fence is aligned magnetic north south, but not political north south.

So, for a 1.5 foot ground rod...  10 degrees from 30 or so feet... I might have to raise /lower an inch or so.   ...   The ground is uneven, so I guess I should get a bubble level tool and a laser on top to make sure. 

wiki helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery  good list of all the metals.

I wonder what the voltages would be if you hooked a wire from a copper mine to a coal mine......  Might not need to dig the coal out of the earth to get power from it!!

Thanks for your time.

[Cosmicfarmer]

Finished tuning my ground rods, for now. 

I hooked volt meter to the naked ends and was able to read 1.490 when I started, but once I started shifting things around, I couldn't get it above 1.462 ... Disturbed the currents I did.  Found a very specific sweet spot with almost no tolerance for height changes for the highest volts. 

This was my procedure.

Stomped the carbon rod deeper in north, because some was poking out. 
Took out the Mg rod and moved it a little, aligning it better with the magnetic lines. Pushed it in the soft earth. Today was a good day to mess with the ground. Then, I pushed the Mg rod ALL the way in, and looked at the volt meter as I tapped the rod upwards.  About an inch and a half was the sweet spot.  If I brought the rod too high up, tapping it back down to the same spot yielded less volts, I would have to "reset" it by pushing the rod all the way back down, and then raising it a little.  I imagined the energy echoing back and forth in my wire, and by having it too high let some out...  Or something. I don't know.

Now I will let the rods entrain with my capacitive monster, and have removed one capacitor.

I noticed unbalanced charging.
Tested all 4 of the caps.  2 had an average of 18 mV, one was giving me AC for some weird reason at 45 mV and the last cap had 5mv on it.     So I took out the 5mv cap and will try the naked solar panel to compare charging rates. 

Tuned the SEC a little more, Forgot to do so once I attached the copper. You need to re-tune every time you change the output and the light from a light bulb and the light from the sun are different frequencies which all need a slightly different tuning.  Found that out when I got the oscillator lid working inside, and when I took it outside it needed to be changed.

So.  Tuned rods, Tuned Oscillators, lower capacitance... Hopefully I should see a little higher return.