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Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

Started by shimondoodkin, July 24, 2009, 11:33:44 PM

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teslaalset

#5
June 03, 2010, 06:30:14 AM
@Bruce,
The complexity is a bit higher than the simple explanation described in the patent.
A ferromagnetic core does not have a permeability of just one value.
The permeability of a core is very much depending on its magnetization state.
So, it may look simple, but there is more to it.

I agree though, it's an interesting concept worth to be investigated.

Bruce_TPU

#6
June 03, 2010, 11:06:20 PM
If I understand the patent correctly, it is primarily the reluctance of the metal for the two coils of the secondary, being different than the reluctance of the metal of the primary.  The flux path in the metal for the secondaries becomes the path of least resistance.  This in turn allows for energy gain.  And not just a small amount of COP.  3200%!!

Many on this board have spent a great deal of time (years) and money, trying to achieve COP >1.

Thane, who was once a major contributor to this forum has discovered something far more important than his earlier experiments.

I wish for all here to read the Patent and to come to their own conclusion and to attempt replication, on any scale. 


EDIT:
The link appears to now be again working!  (YEA!)  Link is two posts above!!

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

IceStorm

#7
June 03, 2010, 11:16:59 PM
I dont think the principle describe in this patent is valid, look at the timeframe, it was filled in 2007 and follow the development of Thain and the timeframe, something wierd no ?

Best Regards,
IceStorm

Bruce_TPU

#8
June 03, 2010, 11:29:27 PM
Perhaps, or perhaps what was originally was submitted by Thane in 2007 was later "updated" by him.  Jan 2009 it was opened for public inspection.  I do not know enough about the Canadian Process to say for sure.

What also impressed me about this patent, is there appears to be an engineering company that tested and validated some claims, inside of the patent.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Sprocket

#9
June 04, 2010, 08:05:34 PM
I have a question - the patent states that flux always takes the path of least reluctance and cites that doubling the area of the secondary core material will result in it being half the reluctance of the primary.  Assuming the same core material throughout, will this simple doubling of the secondary's area result in ALL secondary BEMF flux being routed through it, or just a greater proportion of the overall flux?  If yes, then why bother with 'exotic' core materials!

This certainly seems one of the easiest OU areas to prove/disprove.  The 3000% efficiency of the prototype suggests that any old core material, appropriately sized, should show >1 COP...
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