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New invention of motion less generation of electric power

Started by powercat, August 26, 2009, 08:52:05 AM

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jan.kolar

Quote from: winsonali on November 25, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
for wave propagation in passive zone we need at least quarter of the size of wave length

if you make a transformer equal to the  quarter of the wave length of frequency you will get passive power in active zone  that is 1 to many format without power lose there are many mechanical analogies for this...
You must go to higher frequencies for your device be small enough. Grid frequency 50 Hz has wavelength about 6000 km. High frequencies demands another materials for coil core with narrow hysteresis curve.

winsonali

jankolar:
thank you for your input regarding current calculations please send me more details i am interest to know your experiment and calculation method

i am using 2.4Ghz ISM band frequency and enclosed in a vacuum tube this vacuum tube is surrounded by coils
the vacuum is producing a passive medium and 1/4 wave length making a complete cycle as active zone on 4th propagation, loads are connected as per the frequency we require when the cycle is completing it deliver no reversing power. it is more like a high frequency modulation but once we convert them in our required form we are happy happy.
just think in a transformer the center core is replaced with a vacuum tube.

although i am not supposed to give the above information but its in the interest of everyone so i am putting it up.

winsonali

Gravity Block:


Now we need to just proof our brain waves with practicals.
please be prepare to visit me and see the work by yourself i will be more then happy to share my work with you.





EMdevices

Hi Ali,  I have not been here in a while.  Have you disclosed more information?  Why are you talking about wavelengths now and vacuum tubes?  Just curious.
EM

exnihiloest

Quote from: jan.kolar on November 24, 2009, 04:55:47 AM
Ali, Ali you have not heard about law of energy conservation? Yes you can have 100s of receivers but signals on input antennas are very small typically microvolts. Also there is feedback between receiver and transmitter similar to coupling between secondary and primary side of transformer (Lenz law).
...

Not exactly. When the hertzian wave quits the antenna, energy from the transmitter is radiated and becomes independant of the transmitter. The energy is carried by the electric and magnetic fields of the electromagnetic wave.
Then energy can be recovered from the EM field by receivers. The recovered energy can be no more than that radiated from the transmitter. Your are right when you say that receivers needs only an infinitesimal part of the radiated energy, so in practice we can put as many receivers as we need.
But there is no feedback. There is feedback only in the near field zone (i.e. at a distance of the order of the wave length). In the near field, transmitter and receiver act as generator and charge, connected to a primary repectively secundary of a transformer, and Lenz law applies like you said. Nevertheless this case is not the usual case in which radio transmitters are used.
At a distance of several wave lengths and beyond, the wave constitute an independant electromagnetic wave which is no more related to the source. The receivers can recover some pW to mW from these waves and the rest of energy is radiated in space or wasted in the resistance of bad conductors like the soil.
In any case, energy is conserved. The energy provided to the transmitter is radiated and available in the EM field, with the constraint that when receiver antennaes are near one another they cannot recover as much energy as if they were alone. The field in space near a receiver antenna is reduced due to the energy used by the receiver or wasted in its input resistance, and taken from the ambiant field (every one can verify it by placing 2 AM radios near one another with ferrite antennaes tuned to the same frequency). Thus we see that even from a theoretical viewpoint a huge number of receivers multiplied by the energy that each one gets, could never exceed the radiated energy.