Pauls Device; a damn shame he regrets revealing it.

[terry1094]

Yes, but it shows that zero point energy exists and can do real work.  And it is likely the balance between the zero point field and the angular acceleration of the electron which keeps the electron from collapsing into the nucleus of the hydrogen atom.  And it is likely that it is zero point energy which maintains the spin momentum of the electron.

Hence, it is entirely possible that magnetic systems are non-conservative in the classical sense.

Terry

[terry1094]

Here is incontrovertible evidence that magnets are non-conservative:

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html

Terry

[lltfdaniel1]

Its If you serve Lust(Mammon) or love(Give),

however those who serve Mammon(seeking to get rich and be a glory seeking hypocrite), their devices never make it to the shelf,

and free Energy is a No no guys -  to the Market-system. (although , we could have plenty for everyone and no crime, - the rich prefer to steal more)

because we are on the outside, looking at their 'Just us' system - and they don't give a whatsoever about this planet.

however, he should have no Regret what-so-ever(For Revealing), that is the devil playing Mind games to Him(Focusing only on stupid little things such as paper money, instead of Mass extinction , and to help Replenish the Earth, and heal It.).

He Should NOT off REMOVED Those Plans off the -Net .

[berferd]

How about Wesley Snyder's device? Is the effect of spinning the rotor without energy input real or not?

The guy holding the device is putting energy into it with subtle hand motion.  A colleaque down the hall has a similar SMOT on his desk where a rotor is levitated between magnets much like a workpiece on a lathe is held between the headstock and tailstock.  If you put the rotor in place off-axis and release it, the rotor definitely spins up as the wobble decreases.  But it's only a transfer of energy from one motion to the other, with that energy initialy coming from your hand as you push the rotor into the magnetic fields.  Really, quite visually impressive.  And if you don't catch what's going on, you'd swear you're seeing a working perpetual motion machine.

That's exactly what you're seeing with Snyder's machine.  And you'll never see a demonstration of the machine supported on a stand with the rotor released from a carefully cenetered position, because you need the subtle hand motion to keep it spinning.

[Omnibus]

If indeed what you?re saying is true then there is nothing to Wesley Snyder?s motor. It would be trivial and would not deserve attention.

However, I?m not inclined to believe that what you?re saying is the case. Not only because I don?t see the described hand motions in Snyder?s video http://overunity.com/snyder/snyder_magnetmotor02.avi but, more importantly, because of your description of what a SMOT does.

I don?t know what SMOT you have in mind but the SMOT that is widely known does something completely different from what you describe.

Unlike what you describe, a SMOT demonstrates a real periodical production of excess energy.

Indeed, suppose we have the ball at a position underneath the device. Call it the initial position.

When lifting the ball to place it at the input of the device we spend a certain amount of work. Once placed at the input of the device the magnetic field of the SMOT magnets lifts the ball spontaneously up the ramp. Spontaneously (without us spending any work for that). At the end of the ramp the ball is at a greater height than its height was at the input. In other words, at the end of the ramp the ball has greater potential energy than its potential energy it had at the input of the ramp. Now read this carefully ? the greater potential energy the ball has at the end of the ramp compared to its potential energy at the input has been acquired free, spontaneously, without us spending any work for that purpose.

At the end of the ramp, the steel ball falls under the action of its own weight to its initial position. Recall the initial position was the position underneath the device where the experiment was started. In doing so (returning to the initial position) the steel ball recovers the energy which was spent by us to place it at the input of the device and in addition gives us as a ?present? the energy it has acquired when the magnetic field lifted it to the end of the ramp. Again, for this excess energy, for this ?present? we have spent no energy, we have paid nothing.

Now we can again lift the ball to place it at the input of the device and once again let the ball go through the whole above described process until it again falls back to its initial position. Thus, another portion of excess energy will be produced. We will be given another energy ?present? for which we have paid nothing.

We can go on and on in obtaining these energy ?presents? (for which we have paid nothing) periodically until we feel like doing it.

Therefore, your opinion that the SMOT does not produce excess energy is incorrect. On the contrary, SMOT is a device which does produce periodically excess energy.

I have explained this before in this same discussion group. Obviously, I had to do it again.

Of course, it will be interesting to apply the above principle in technically cleverly built device so that this production of excess energy would become continuous (and not periodic as in the SMOT). This a trivial, engineering pursuit which would utilize a proven concept of production of excess energy. Of course, a lot of engineering ingenuity is required in achieving this goal and anyone who achieves it should be valued highly.

For the first time, direct demonstration of continuous production of excess energy was done recently by Wesley Snyder. I do agree, however, that one more step is needed to announce it as a historic event ? Wesley Snyder has to show the self-sustaining motor suspended on a stand with no involvement of the experimenter whatsoever so that even the most enthusiastic critics can be silenced forever. I understand that they are working on that and it will be shown soon (in the matter of days or couple of weeks, at most). It should be noted, however, that even if Wesley Snyder does not succeed in this final engineering effort, the production of excess energy by the SMOT will still be a real phenomenon.